Struggling with Set Theory Proofs? Any Tips?

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The discussion centers on challenges faced in set theory proofs within a discrete math course, with a focus on difficulties in proving more complex statements beyond basic examples. Participants suggest seeking help and examples of specific proofs that are problematic. Additionally, there is a mention of a 1960 Scientific American article discussing the proof of "2 + 2 = 4," which has intrigued one participant for years, prompting a search for the article. Suggestions for locating the article include visiting local university libraries and browsing their collections. The conversation highlights the importance of resources and community support in mastering mathematical concepts.
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Hello All,
I am taking a Discrete math course and am having trouble with set theory proofs. I can do basic ones,
like prove
<a,b,c>=<u,v,w> if a=u, b=v, and c=w. But as soon as it changes even a little bit, I cannot prove it. I was wondering what tips some of you might suggest to me? I do enjoy this course and want to get better at it. Any help is appreciated!

Thanks!
 
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Can you give some examples of things you can't prove??
 
Okay, some background on proofs...In about 1960 I read an article in, SCIENTIC AMERICAN and the issue's feature article was, "It can't be prooven that 2 + 2 = 4, but it can be proven that it probably doesn't." On the cover of this issue was some math emblems. This bothered me for years, because I couldn't understand it. Then just a few years I awoke in the middle of the night and had one of those 'night-time' epiphanies and the theory was somewhat clear, maybe not so much, just enough to see a little light. Is anyone familiar with this 'proof', and more directly can anyone help me acquire a copy of this article or the magazine isssue itself. I have contacted SCEINTIFIC AMERICAN but I have been told that I have to have the issue number itself for any help from them. As I remember it was a very enlighting article and I would like to get this more clear at least in my mind.
 
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Okay, some background on proofs...In about 1960 I read an article in, SCIENTIC AMERICAN and the issue's feature article was, "It can't be prooven that 2 + 2 = 4, but it can be proven that it probably doesn't." On the cover of this issue was some math emblems. This bothered me for years, because I couldn't understand it. Then just a few years I awoke in the middle of the night and had one of those 'night-time' epiphanies and the theory was somewhat clear, maybe not so much, just enough to see a little light. Is anyone familiar with this 'proof', and more directly can anyone help me acquire a copy of this article or the magazine isssue itself. I have contacted SCEINTIFIC AMERICAN but I have been told that I have to have the issue number itself for any help from them. As I remember it was a very enlighting article and I would like to get this more clear at least in my mind.

I don't imagine you see it here?
http://west-penwith.org.uk/misc/sciam2.htm

Or here?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bustbright/sets/72157618389555836/
 
Thank you very much - but unfortunately I couldn't find it in either link. But hey, it is promising that some people have saved such things,
 
In that case your best bet is probably to find a local university library that carries Scientific American and browse through their collection. 120 issues (if it was in the 1960s) isn't that many, right?

I wasn't able to find anything with a search; if I knew the exact wording I might have better luck, but lacking that I suspect you won't do better than browsing.
 
Hey CR, that's a good idea, thanks a lot...I will do just that.
 

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