Behavior of water in a vacuum?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of water when exposed to a vacuum, particularly in the context of space. Participants explore the processes of boiling, freezing, and sublimation of water in a vacuum, as well as the implications for waste management in space.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the time it takes for a glob of water to freeze in a vacuum and whether it would boil away or transform directly into solid ice.
  • Another participant mentions that urine and wastewater jettisoned from satellites freeze into tiny ice droplets before sublimating into vapor when exposed to sunlight.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the efficiency of recycling water in space, suggesting that waste is simply dumped rather than fully utilized.
  • A participant discusses the evaporation of water in a vacuum, noting that it will continue until the pressure equals the vapor pressure of the liquid.
  • There is a reference to icy comet behavior and how gravitational forces can affect the state of water in space.
  • One participant raises a question about the removal of water vapor from a vacuum chamber to maintain evaporation, to which another replies simply to "keep pumping."

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of viewpoints regarding the behavior of water in a vacuum, with no consensus reached on the specifics of the freezing process or the management of waste in space.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on assumptions about conditions in space, such as temperature and pressure, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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I've been reading about what happens to water when exposed to vacuum, but can't seem to find a definitive answer concerning a few details in the step-by-step process. I read that water will quickly boil in the vacuum of space due to very low pressure, and then freeze. But roughly how long does it take to freeze? Say a glob of temperate water with the volume of about a shot glass is suddenly exposed to the vacuum of space. Would the whole thing quickly boil away into gas, and then the vapor desublimates? Or would any portion of the water transform directly from liquid to solid? For desublimation in these circumstances, and if at all roughly possible to calculate, how big/thick would the resulting ice crystal cloud be? How long would this entire process take? A moment? Or full seconds or minutes? Would the cloud look like snow? Would you be able to mush it into an ice/snow ball?
 
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Interesting...I thought they try to recycle every last gram of water in space. They just dump it out? Doesn't seem very sophisticated.
 
Tut tut.All these astronauts are turning the space around our Earth into a giant sewer.It reminds me of the days when people used to empty their pots into the street:eek::biggrin:
 
One can google "satellite waste water urine" and find great photos illumintated by the sun of frozen water/urine plumes trailing out from objects in space. One more small step for mankind, who seems destined to pollute every place he visits, including space.
 
Bobbywhy said:
Urine and wastewater are often jettisoned from manned satellites into space.
What about the more solid stuff? Is it taken back to Earth? Is it released such that it burns in the atmosphere soon? Or will we read about a satellite destroyed by frozen poo one day?
 
Water, in a small evacuated container, will evaporate until the pressure in the container is equal to the vapour pressure of the liquid at its temperature. This is no different with or without the presence of air in the container. (The law of partial pressures applies everywhere)
It has been written many times before on PF: Air is not a sponge - it does not absorb water - it just looks that way.

If the container is large enough (space) the the pressure will always be lower than the vapour pressure so the water will all evaporate. For a very large mass including water (an orbiting comet, for instance), the gravitational self-attraction will hold the vapour near the core and, if the temperature drops, it will re-condense, only to boil off the next time it goes close to the Sun.
 
Mr. SC above accurately described icy comet behaviours. This below describes man-made water/urine dumps in space:

“Waste water usually freezes upon jettison into a cloud of tiny ice droplets. Then when the sun hits, the ice sublimates directly into water vapor and disperses in space.”

http://www.space.com/7274-mystery-explained-glow-night-sky-astronaut-urine.html

Furthermore, there was a report of a satellite being damaged by frozen poo, I just can't seem to find it now...
 
how can you remove the water vapor from the vacuum chamber to keep the evaporation process continuing?
 
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Keep pumping!
 

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