Belgium: PA textbooks not anti-Semitic

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loseyourname said:
You see, this is where I have a problem. Where is the evidence of world-wide Jewish conspiracy that you presented? Are Jews in charge of the soft drink industry? The fast food industry? The supermarkets? The advertising industry? They'd need to be in charge of all of these and the sugar industry itself, and arguably the FDA, just to be capable of the conspiracy you're suggesting.
This is not accurate. You need the political top job that orders the FDA to say what it does. The White House can order the FDA to say whatever the White House wants. After that you really don't need anything. Once the government tells people sugar is good, they will eat it up. They are in charge of all the other places you mentioned to reap the profits.

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And not just in the US, either, but in the entire western world. Heck, even if all these industries were run by Jews, does being a Jew automatically mean that you're hooked into a worldwide network of Jews that coordinate all of their business plans so as to plot the destruction of the Gentile world? Does it occur to you how whacky and paranoid that sounds?
Sure. Israel controls the USA/Cananda/Australia/Britain and most of Europe except for France. They should gain control of France during the next election when they elect the Hungarian Jew Sarkozy as president of France.

Yes being a jew means you are automatically hooked into a worldwide network of jews that coordinate business for the destruction of the gentile world. Why is it wacky and paranoid? Seems like a logical and militarily sound plan for world domination.

loseyourname said:
I can almost guarantee you one thing. Jewish or not, all of these industries are probably run by white males. In fact, I would venture the guess that just about all industries are run by white males. Does that mean there is a conspiracy of white males plotting to destroy everyone else?
A conspiracy by white males to keep power and profits for white males. Yes. Your outrage will not change anything. This is what every human power structure in every human society on earth does. Manipulate the society so they stay on top at the expense of others.

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Now there's a conspiracy of western doctors working to keep people powerless? Or do Jews control the medical industry now too?
Yes jews control the medical industry. The majority of western doctors do not need to knowingly be involved. Just as the FDA can say sugar is good and everything else takes care of itself, the medical colleges can teach false health advice. The innocent western doctors who think they are doing good according to what they are taught then go out and make people sick with false health advice. It is like infecting people with a bioweapon. Infect one person with the bioweapon. That person goes on to kill everyone he comes in contact with. He didn't know he was an agent of the bioweapon. That doesn't matter. He was still part of the plot to kill people with bioweapons.

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Where? I've lived most of my life in or around Los Angeles and San Francisco, which boast two of the largest Chinese communities in the US. I've never noticed that the Chinese people look any different in body type from the average whites walking around.
Then you are not an observant person. Perhaps it takes training and experience to see it.
 
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Yonoz said:
I cannot believe that sugar argument is being discussed seriously. Come on - Jews taking over the world with sugar??!
Why are people purposefully obtuse? The only reason that makes sense is to throw up smokescreens. What happened to honest discussion?

For instance. I am going to invade Iraq. Am I going to send soldiers only? No. Am I going to drop bombs only? No. Am I going to do it by myself? No.

It is trivial that any large plan includes many different methods. What I said is that the large use of sugar in western cultures only makes sense to me if it is part of a plot to sicken people in the west. The western governments are fully aware of Chinese medicine. If they are aware that Chinese medicince says sugar is a poison, why do they say that sugar is fine for people to eat?

There is only one reason to my mind. Someone is doing it knowing what the results will be. Just like Merck sold Vioxx knowing that it caused heart attacks in people. Their plot was to make money. Part of the plot was to bribe the FDA. Part of the plot was to falsify studies. They knowingly made people sick to make money. If that is true, why is it so hard to accept that people bent on world domination would make people sick on purpose? World dominators would be more evil and less caring than even corporate CEO's willing to kill people for money.

Yonoz said:
Nevertheless, I'm happy to have witnessed this new display of the old pseudo-scientific antisemitism. It makes me understand no matter how just and fair we try to be, the hatred will forever remain.
If someone rapes a women, the society does not like the rapist. If someone steals from a store, the society does not like the robber. If someone murders another person, the society does not like the murderer. It has nothing to do with hatred. It has to do with bad people breaking the laws of society.

When a people decide that they will do anything, murder, drug dealing, lying, stealing, raping, torture, in pursuit of a goal, society does not like these people. Not because they hate them but because they have broken societies laws. Because they hurt other human beings.

To show exactly how silly your positions is, what do you think would be the result if the rapist or robber or murderer said "You are only putting me in jail because you hate me?" People would rightly realize these are manipulative statements by an evil person facing punishment. Judges hear these kinds of statements all the time. Then they go right ahead and sentence the criminal as he should be sentenced so he does no further harm to society.

Yonoz said:
I am even more surprised at the weak response to happeh's comments.
Here it comes. Time to rally the lynch mob. Every pro Isreali person on the internet follows a set pattern of attack. They each get a little handout that tells them how to vanquish enemies of israel. The handout says to "act outraged at accusations about Israel". Yes, you did that. Next on the list is "call opponents anti semites". Yes. You did that. Next is to accuse the person of being a hater. Yes you did that. Next is "rally the community to form a lynch mob to attack and get rid of the enemy of Israel". Yes you are doing that now.

Yonoz said:
It's this mix of hatred and non-caringness that makes me realise we are perpetually threatened, and that we can never rely on anyone to protect us.
You are perpetually threatened because you perpetually disregard the laws of various countries. You perpetually manipulate people and countries so that your fellows live the high life while everyone else lives the low life. You can never rely on anyone to protect you because there is no honor among thieves. You have no friends because you have betrayed every country that allowed you to stay. Yes I know you will be screaming hatred. This is historical fact that can be dredged up and gone thru.


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You can criticize Israel, Zionism and Judaism all you like, but keep in mind the threats we face even today, when a venomous comment of the sort of happeh's should never have been made in such a "self-respecting" community.
Do you think it worked? Do you think they feel shamed? I hope they are intelligent enough to see psychological and emotional manipulation when it bites them on the booty.

I cannot prove what I say. I do not have an organization and unlimited funds with which to perform an investigation. According to historical precedent, my studies and my familiarity with politics and the attitudes and actions of Israelis and human beings in general, my statements are a reasonable conclusion for what I see. If someone can put forth a more reasonable explanation that is believable, I have no problem admitting that I am wrong.
 
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Art said:
I have never made an anti-semitic comment ever, and very much resent your claim to the contrary! :mad: I expect an apology forthwith.
You are dreaming. When was the last time you heard Ariel Sharon apologize for anything?

One of the secrets of power is to never apologize.

No one voluntarily gives up power unless they are unaware of the concept of personal power. Most Israelis base their lives around the concept of personal power. It is part of their culture.
 
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Undoubtedly big business lobbies for legislation favourable to itself and some of the more unscrupulous will do just about anything to make an extra buck. Over time many products have been found to be injurious to health, cigarettes, alcohol, butter, eggs, meat and of course sugar to name but a few. The people who's livlihoods depend on maintaining a demand for these products obviously do their best to obfuscate negative research whilst spending heavily on marketing to try and continue selling their products. This is simply what businesses do. To suggest this is all part of a world domination plot by the Jews is blatantly racist and patently ridiculous for a myriad of practical reasons which I am not even going to bother getting into.
 
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Happeh said:
I cannot prove what I say. I do not have an organization and unlimited funds with which to perform an investigation. According to historical precedent, my studies and my familiarity with politics and the attitudes and actions of Israelis and human beings in general, my statements are a reasonable conclusion for what I see. If someone can put forth a more reasonable explanation that is believable, I have no problem admitting that I am wrong.
The problems with your statements are that you can replace "Jew" and "Israel" with:
- Whites and America
- Arabs and Saoudi-Arabia
- Chinese and China
- Mafiosi and Italy
- dolphins and Alpha Centauri

and they have almost equal validity ; moreover, what you do has been done in the past, and has resulted several times in genocide. It is the typical xenophobia hatred talk. How the hell is someone supposed to defend himself against such charges ?
Now, the number of times Jews especially have suffered exactly such genocide because they were the "conspirators" (hey, they were even found guilty of being at the origin of the bubonic plague in the 14th century!) is almost uncountable. They are the perfect target for such hatred speech, and it almost always works. "Did you burn your Jew today? " Unfortunately for people like you, they also seem to be indestructible.
 
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Happeh said:
Sure. Israel controls the USA/Cananda/Australia/Britain and most of Europe except for France. They should gain control of France during the next election when they elect the Hungarian Jew Sarkozy as president of France.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Sarkozy#Origins

So the conversion of Sarkozy's GRANDFATHER to catholicism in the beginning of the 20th century was part of the plot to hide the political takeover by Jews that would take place by his grandson 105 years later ???

:rofl: :rofl:

BTW, his grandMOTHER was of French catholic origin, so the "jewish" line was broken anyway, which means that Nicolas Sarkozy is NOT a Jew, according to the definition that has been given here.
But then, that's probably just part of the plot. The Dolphins are everywhere !
 
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Happeh said:
Then you are not an observant person. Perhaps it takes training and experience to see it.
24 years of checking out just about every person that walks by me and I've never noticed a difference. Do you happen to have mass:height ratios by declared ethnicity statistics for these cities or are you just talking out of your ass? I was a portrait artist for five years, so I'd like to think that I have an especially acute eye for body types. I suppose you know best, though.
 
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24 years of checking out just about every person that walks by me and I've never noticed a difference. Do you happen to have mass:height ratios by declared ethnicity statistics for these cities or are you just talking out of your ass? I was a portrait artist for five years, so I'd like to think that I have an especially acute eye for body types. I suppose you know best, though.
Could I respectfully invite you to any Chinese City?

I find that the Chinese community in the USA and the rest of the west has to a certain extent not necessarily 'drunk the koolaid' but they are sipping.

The only 'lard asses' in suzhou would include me in their number and I was given a clean bill of health in my anual check-up for visa purposes which includes a complete blood collesterol work-up and the like.

A lot of contemporaries here refer to returning to Australia (which has a healthier physique than America) as 'going back to the land of the grazing beasts' and cringes at the thought of 'sheilas'.

We are indeed spoiled.
 
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I didn't know Blairfinger and Schroedermann were Jews ? :rofl:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Blair

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schröder
You will notice I did not include Germany in my list. I do not read German so I cannot know what is going on in their country.

Tony Blair is an Israeli tool. He singlehandedly talked the world into allowing the USA to invade Iraq on Israel's behalf. The man should win an award for liar of the century. They should put statues of him up in Israel for removing Saddam for them.
 
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24 years of checking out just about every person that walks by me and I've never noticed a difference. Do you happen to have mass:height ratios by declared ethnicity statistics for these cities or are you just talking out of your ass? I was a portrait artist for five years, so I'd like to think that I have an especially acute eye for body types. I suppose you know best, though.
I know what I see. I know that on average, Asians are incredibly more healthy than the majority of westerners. Just looking at people is not enough if you do not know what you are looking at.
 
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Art said:
To suggest this is all part of a world domination plot by the Jews is blatantly racist and patently ridiculous for a myriad of practical reasons which I am not even going to bother getting into.
It is not racist. If there is a conspiracy by a group of people, these people must be labeled in some manner in order to identify them to the other people you are talking to.

It is a master stroke of genius to make it socially unacceptable to talk about these people.

How could people talk about traitors or treason if someone trains society to attack anyone who says those two words?

You and most other people are trained to attack anyone who says "Isrealis are to blame for.....". You are programmed to react unthinkingly. If someone say any other race on the planet or any other countries citizens on the planet, no one reacts with the same vehemence they do when the word "Israelis" is brought up. They have not been trained to react to any other words.

The Israelis can then go ahead and act in any way they please because they know anyone exposing what they are up to will be set upon by his programmed fellows. In France or Germany, the will actually put you in jail if you openly discuss the number of Israelis killed in WWII.

What better way to stop discussion of how many were killed than to throw people in jail for it? No one will ever know the truth because they cannot even bring up the words or topics for discussion.

The point being here. Truth does not need censorship to be victorius. If there really were 6 million Isrealis killed in WWII, there would be no reason to throw people in jail for openly talking about the issue. It is only if the figure is a lie, propaganda planted to control Germany and garner the sympathy of kind people around the world, that it would be necessary to put people in jail so they can never discover the lie.

If Israel does not control the USA, there is no reason for people to go around talking about racist this or that. The facts would show the claim was false or true. Because the claim is true, people must be prevented from bringing up the facts so that it becomes common knowledge in the majority of society.
 
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Happeh, No israeli was killed during WWII - Israel was founded in 1948.
 
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The Israelis can then go ahead and act in any way they please because they know anyone exposing what they are up to will be set upon by his programmed fellows. In France or Germany, the will actually put you in jail if you openly discuss the number of Israelis killed in WWII.

What better way to stop discussion of how many were killed than to throw people in jail for it? No one will ever know the truth because they cannot even bring up the words or topics for discussion.

The point being here. Truth does not need censorship to be victorius. If there really were 6 million Isrealis killed in WWII, there would be no reason to throw people in jail for openly talking about the issue.
LOL

Besides the obvious that has already pointed out to you 'that Israel did not exist in WWII', the charge in Germany is about 'Holocost DENIAL' not 'openly talking about the Holocost'.

In fact, if you go to germany, you can visit extermination camps themselves and be taken on guided tours.

You can even watch movies about WWII.

I think you got the wrong end of the stick somewhere along the line.
 
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Could I respectfully invite you to any Chinese City?

I find that the Chinese community in the USA and the rest of the west has to a certain extent not necessarily 'drunk the koolaid' but they are sipping.
I was only referring to the communities in Los Angeles and San Francisco. I've never lived for any long periods of time anywhere else, so I make no claims as to what the communities are like elsewhere. I also wasn't saying that the Chinese communities in these cities are fat; rather, I was saying that the non-Asian American communities are not fat. Especially in the summertime, just about everyone in coastal California seems to do a pretty good job of keeping fit.
 
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LOL

Besides the obvious that has already pointed out to you 'that Israel did not exist in WWII', the charge in Germany is about 'Holocost DENIAL' not 'openly talking about the Holocost'.

In fact, if you go to germany, you can visit extermination camps themselves and be taken on guided tours.

I think you got the wrong end of the stick somewhere along the line.
Mr Smoking Man. I can see you are an intelligent person. You should not need my guidance. I think that if you look at some of the editing done by the forums software on some of the words in peoples sentences in this thread, you will understand why I use the word I do.

I can go to Cambodia and check out the killing fields also. Do you think I will be able to tell how many died in my day long tour of the area? Of course people died. The lies are in the numbers and slanted descriptions of what happened. Can you tell me off the top of your head how many German's died in WWII? Of course not. There is no world wide propaganda organization pushing the number of German's killed. What about French, Gypsies, British, Italians, Americans, Australians, Japanese, Chinese or any other group? Got their number of WWII war dead at your fingertips? No. Those numbers do not further Israeli political goals of world domination. There is no reason to start a propaganda campaign to tell people those numbers.


Did you know that I work for Karma? Ya. I say something and the next day Karma provides me with links to reinforce what I said. I love to tell people that because there is a certain kind of person who explodes when they read a comment like that. They run up and down the sidewalk yelling and gesticulating about how funny that comment is. I just smile and watch them carry on. One of these days they will find out for themselves. Then I get to walk up to them and say "See? I told you so".

I said the Israelis have made it illegal to talk about them or their propaganda. I said this was a very smart way to stop people from discussing their world domination plans. Today Karma gives me this.

"German prosecutors said yesterday they have charged white supremacist Ernst Zundel with inciting racial hatred, four months after he was deported from Canada.

German authorities accuse Zundel of decades of anti-Semitic activities, including repeated denials of the Holocaust - a crime in Germany - in documents and on the Internet. Zundel is "known internationally as a leader of the right-wing scene," prosecutors in the southwestern city of Mannheim said yesterday. "

Talk about Israeli propganda, go to jail.
 
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I was only referring to the communities in Los Angeles and San Francisco. I've never lived for any long periods of time anywhere else, so I make no claims as to what the communities are like elsewhere. I also wasn't saying that the Chinese communities in these cities are fat; rather, I was saying that the non-Asian American communities are not fat. Especially in the summertime, just about everyone in coastal California seems to do a pretty good job of keeping fit.

Westernized Chinese as well as members of other Asian countries that live in the West are contaminated by western culture. They are starting down the slow road of de evolution. They do not resemble their counterparts living natively in the Asian countries. The Westernized Asians will not look so superior to Native Western people as the Native Asians do.
 
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I forgot something. That Ernst Zundel? He lived in Canada. Canda has free speech laws. Mr Zundel could say as he pleases. Guess what happened?

The Isrealis in control of Canada had him deported to Germany where they knew his type of speech was outlawed. 3 months later Mr Zundel is charged with crimes right according to plan.

Here are the Canadian Israelis thanking the Germans for carrying out their orders properly. Then giving the Germans their new orders.


"The Canadian Jewish Congress said it was glad to hear Zundel had been charged, but said justice will not be served fully until he is convicted.

"Certainly we're very pleased that German prosecutors have charged Mr. Zundel," spokesman Len Rudner said from Toronto.

"But it's a successful prosecution that will go a long way to completely discrediting Ernst Zundel."



Look at the timeline to see how the Israeli World Dominators used their control of the USA and Canada to persecute this man.

The man is living in the USA and running a website that denies the WWII Israeli deaths. That is not illegal in the USA. It is illegal in Germany. They can put him in jail in Germany. How do they get the man from the USA to Germany?

First Germany charges the man with a crime. He lives in the USA but since his website is visible in Germany, he broke German law. Pay attention. Your website in your country can be used to ship you to another country and thrown in that countries jail.

With the new terrorism laws, the USA can force anyone out of the country on trumped up charges. They force the man out of the USA and back to Canada. The man was never a citizen of Canada. There is a warrant for his arrest in Germany. Germany has an extradition treaty with Canada. Voila! This man is sent to Germany where he is charged with crimes.

From the USA to jail in Germany, courtesy of the Israelis in control of the USA,Canada and Europe.

Born in Germany in 1939, Zundel emigrated to Canada in 1958 and lived in Toronto and Montreal until 2001. Canadian officials rejected his attempts to obtain citizenship in 1966 and 1994.

He moved to Pigeon Forge, Tenn., until he was deported to Canada in 2003 for alleged immigration violations.

While Jewish groups in Canada hailed Zundel's deportation, some civil libertarians argued it was a crime against freedom of speech.

"Banning ideas - even foolish ones - is just never healthy," Paul Fromm, the president of the Canadian Association for Freedom of Expression, said Tuesday from Toronto after hearing of Zundel's charges.

"It's very disappointing and it's sad to see the German government has learned nothing about democracy."

German prosecutors obtained an arrest warrant for Zundel in 2003. Because his Holocaust-denying website was available in Germany, he is considered to have been spreading his message to Germans.
 
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Mr Zundel, broke USA immigration laws, he was not a citizen of Canada either. He is a citizen of Germany. Germany issued a warrant for his arrest, so Canada sent him home. Yes, thats the way the world works.
 
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Happeh said:
Can you tell me off the top of your head how many German's died in WWII? Of course not.
I'm sure most people can; it's 3.25m military and 2.44m civilians.

Happeh said:
There is no world wide propaganda organization pushing the number of German's killed. What about French, Gypsies, British, Italians, Americans, Australians, Japanese, Chinese or any other group? Got their number of WWII war dead at your fingertips? No. Those numbers do not further Israeli political goals of world domination. There is no reason to start a propaganda campaign to tell people those numbers.
Funnily enough the only one to raise the subject of the number of jews killed in WW2 on this forum is you, which you have now done several times. Are you the architect of the worldwide propaganda that you are complaining about? :confused:


Happeh said:
Did you know that I work for Karma? Ya. I say something and the next day Karma provides me with links to reinforce what I said. I love to tell people that because there is a certain kind of person who explodes when they read a comment like that. They run up and down the sidewalk yelling and gesticulating about how funny that comment is. I just smile and watch them carry on. One of these days they will find out for themselves. Then I get to walk up to them and say "See? I told you so".
Have you been eating strange mushrooms lately?

Happeh said:
I said the Israelis have made it illegal to talk about them or their propaganda. I said this was a very smart way to stop people from discussing their world domination plans. Today Karma gives me this.

"German prosecutors said yesterday they have charged white supremacist Ernst Zundel with inciting racial hatred, four months after he was deported from Canada.

German authorities accuse Zundel of decades of anti-Semitic activities, including repeated denials of the Holocaust - a crime in Germany - in documents and on the Internet. Zundel is "known internationally as a leader of the right-wing scene," prosecutors in the southwestern city of Mannheim said yesterday. "

Talk about Israeli propganda, go to jail.
No, actually it's break the law and go to jail.
 
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Happeh said:
The Isrealis in control of Canada had him deported to Germany where they knew his type of speech was outlawed. 3 months later Mr Zundel is charged with crimes right according to plan.
You know, I'm starting to believe that the J**s are indeed onto a master conspiracy. See, I wanted to reply that I have a J** for breakfast every morning, and roasted A**b in slices for the evening, and guess what ? The milk of one week old got bad when I put it in my coffee. You could think that this is because of the J** controlled sugar I put into it, but as I want my Nobel prize, I only use aspartane. But then I looked at the box with aspartane, and, know what's the name of the town where it was produced ? Lyon. And who's the major of Lyon's daughter's carsalesman's best friend ? A certain mister LEVI ! See ! The bastards ! They knew I was going to expose some J**ish propaganda, and they put something in my aspartane that makes the milk bad ! A clear warning sign !
 
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Happeh said:
Westernized Chinese as well as members of other Asian countries that live in the West are contaminated by western culture. They are starting down the slow road of de evolution. They do not resemble their counterparts living natively in the Asian countries. The Westernized Asians will not look so superior to Native Western people as the Native Asians do.
The west coast of California, and Los Angeles in particular, is the number one port of immigration in the world right now. Many of the Chinese I've seen, or even known, were first generation.

Plus, you again seem to be ignoring that I'm not saying they've become fat. They look great. It's just that everyone in coastal California looks great. In case you haven't gotten it by now, I'm not even trying to dispute your claim. In fact, I think it would be ridiculous to make a claim either way, based on what you've 'seen with your own eyes.' Although I do think it's becoming fairly well established that the great bulk of Americans (if not those walking the streets of westside LA) are becoming obese, I don't see how you can generalize this to all of western civilization. From what little I know, western Europeans have an excellent diet and are a very healthy weight. Also from what I know, a great deal of Chinese (particularly in the western and southern provinces) are badly malnourished.
 
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Happeh said:
First Germany charges the man with a crime. He lives in the USA but since his website is visible in Germany, he broke German law. Pay attention. Your website in your country can be used to ship you to another country and thrown in that countries jail.
Aren't you very affraid by now ? What do you think will happen to you ?
 
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Yo happeh , the hell are u talking bout. Im an ethnic chinese and i dont know what u are talking about. Sugar?, we chinese don t particularly shun sugar, and we aint smart in the US bcos we dont eat sugar. Chinese immigrants to other countries do well because people who immigrate tend to value success, as that is the reason they immigrated in the first place, and that goes for most ppl , not just chinese. Sugar? i dont think so.
 
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Yo happeh , the hell are u talking bout. Im an ethnic chinese and i dont know what u are talking about. Sugar?, we chinese don t particularly shun sugar, and we aint smart in the US bcos we dont eat sugar. Chinese immigrants to other countries do well because people who immigrate tend to value success, as that is the reason they immigrated in the first place, and that goes for most ppl , not just chinese. Sugar? i dont think so.
Average people in most country are unaware of medical theory. That does not mean the medical theory does not exist.

I agree with you that immigrant Chinese have a strong work ethic. That is in addition to possessing a healthier body due to your cultural heritage of Chinese medicine theory, Taoism and kung fu theories.
 

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