Bioethanol & Water Mixing: Solve Separation Problem

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The discussion centers around the mixing of bioethanol and water in a specified ratio of 60:40, with a focus on preventing separation of the two liquids. Participants explore the properties of ethanol, potential contaminants, and methods for verifying the purity of the ethanol used in the mixture.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant reports difficulty in achieving a stable 60:40 mixture of ethanol and water, noting that the mixture separates over time.
  • Another participant asserts that ethanol is completely miscible with water and questions the purity of the ethanol being used, suggesting that contaminants may be present.
  • A further contribution emphasizes that if separation occurs, the ethanol is likely not pure, and recommends checking the density of the ethanol to confirm its identity.
  • Participants mention that other alcohols and partially miscible polyols could be responsible for the observed separation, indicating the importance of verifying the substance being used.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that ethanol and water should mix without separation, but there is no consensus on the cause of the separation observed by the original poster. Multiple views regarding the purity of the ethanol and the presence of contaminants remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the assumption that the ethanol is pure and the potential for other substances affecting the mixing behavior. The discussion does not resolve the specific cause of the separation.

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I have been on a project for awhile now and it has to do with production of bio ethanol production from biomass,and also how to add water in ratio 60:40. i.e ethanol will be 60% while water will be 40% without separating. I have tried to mix water with ethanol in this ratio but it keeps separating after awhile. What can I do to stop the separation?
Please kindly advice on what to do. Thank you .
 
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Ethanol is completely miscible with water, meaning that you can mix them in any proportion and form a homogeneous solution. Are you sure that your ethanol is pure and does not have any contaminants that may be separating out? For example, have you checked the density of your ethanol?
 
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Something is not right, as @Ygggdrasil is trying to point out. Ethanol and water always mix, no exceptions. No separations. So, what you have cannot be pure ethanol. There lots of alcohols ( and other partially miscible polyols ) that do not mix completely with water. As above, a density check can verify that what you have is something else. In other words is not pure. The density is easy to derive. Weigh a carefully measured volume. Calculate the density as

##D=\frac{\text {mass}}{\text{volume}}##

Ethanol is .7892 g/ml so accurately weigh (correct to mg) a precise liter of the putative ethanol.
 
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Thank you very much for all your answer. I will definitely do my checking correctly to know where the problem comes from. Thank you very much, am so grateful.
 
I have been on a project for awhile now and it has to do with production of bio ethanol production from biomass,and also how to add water in ratio 60:40. i.e ethanol will be 60% while water will be 40% without separating. I have tried to mix water with ethanol in this ratio but it keeps separating after awhile. What can I do to stop the separation?
Please kindly advice on what to do. Thank you .
jim mcnamara said:
Something is not right, as @Ygggdrasil is trying to point out. Ethanol and water always mix, no exceptions. No separations. So, what you have cannot be pure ethanol. There lots of alcohols ( and other partially miscible polyols ) that do not mix completely with water. As above, a density check can verify that what you have is something else. In other words is not pure. The density is easy to derive. Weigh a carefully measured volume. Calculate the density as

##D=\frac{\text {mass}}{\text{volume}}##

Ethanol is .7892 g/ml so accurately weigh (correct to mg) a precise liter of the putative ethanol.


jim mcnamara said:
Something is not right, as @Ygggdrasil is trying to point out. Ethanol and water always mix, no exceptions. No separations. So, what you have cannot be pure ethanol. There lots of alcohols ( and other partially miscible polyols ) that do not mix completely with water. As above, a density check can verify that what you have is something else. In other words is not pure. The density is easy to derive. Weigh a carefully measured volume. Calculate the density as

##D=\frac{\text {mass}}{\text{volume}}##

Ethanol is .7892 g/ml so accurately weigh (correct to mg) a precise liter of the putative ethanol.

Thank you very much for your response.
 

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