Block Collision: Find Distance for Elastic & Inelastic Collisions

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The discussion revolves around calculating the distance traveled by block 2 after a collision with block 1, considering both elastic and inelastic scenarios. The correct distances found are 0.984 m for elastic and 0.246 m for inelastic collisions. A common mistake identified is the incorrect equating of momentum and energy, specifically using m1u1 as momentum and mgh as energy, which are not directly comparable. The proper approach involves first determining block 1's speed at the bottom of the ramp using energy principles, then applying momentum conservation for the collision. Clarification on these concepts is essential for accurate problem-solving in physics.
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Block 1 of mass m1 slides from rest along a frictionless ramp from height h = 3.1 m and then collides with stationary block 2, which has mass m2 = 5m1. After the collision, block 2 slides into a region where the coefficient of kinetic friction µk is 0.35 and comes to a stop in distance d within that region. What is the value of distance d if the collision is (a) elastic and (b) completely inelastic?

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(a) 0.984 m
(b) 0.246 m


Relevant Equations
m1u1 + m2u2 = m1v1 + m2v2
vf^2 = vi^2 + 2as (where s is the Δx)
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This is what I attempted.
I started the problem by working on part (b) first because it seemed that finding the distance traveled through and inelastic collision would be easier due to the shared final velocity. I know that,
h = 3.1m
m2 = 5m1
μk = 0.35.

so I use the formula m1u1 + m2u2 = (m1 + m2)v. However, since block two has no initial velocity the equation becomes m1u1 = (m1 + m2)v. Replacing m1u1 with mgh I get,
v(m1 + m2) = mgh
v = m1gh/(m1 + m2)
v = m1(9.8)(3.1)/(5m1+m1)
v = 30.38m1/6m1
v = 5.06

From there I use the kinematic equation
vf^2 = vi^2 + 2as
knowing vf = 0 and, by searching the web I found that F = ma = -μkmg making, a = -μkg I plug in my knowns into the equation.
s = -vi^2/-μkg
s = -(5.06^2)/-0.35(9.8)
s = 7.46

Now thank goodness I took geometry because 7.46 = 0.246 does not pass the reflexive property! A joke of course but this brings me to my question: what did I do wrong? Obviously something horrible which will dishearten physics lovers everywhere but please, show pity. I'm having difficulty understanding this.

Can somebody explain to me what I did wrong and what I should have done to get the right answer instead and why (especially why! Baby words please!). I will very much appreciate your help. Thank you for taking the time to review my question.
 
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DavidAp said:
This is what I attempted.
I started the problem by working on part (b) first because it seemed that finding the distance traveled through and inelastic collision would be easier due to the shared final velocity. I know that,
h = 3.1m
m2 = 5m1
μk = 0.35.

so I use the formula m1u1 + m2u2 = (m1 + m2)v. However, since block two has no initial velocity the equation becomes m1u1 = (m1 + m2)v. Replacing m1u1 with mgh I get,
There's your problem. m1u1 is a momentum; mgh is an energy. You cannot set one equal to another.

Use mgh to find m1's speed at the bottom, then you can calculate m1u1.
 
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