Block diagrams to transfer functions

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The discussion focuses on deriving the closed-loop transfer function from a block diagram representation. The user defines the transfer functions as G = 1/s, H = K/(Js + a), and L = K_f. The correct closed-loop transfer function is established as KK_f/(s^2J + (KK_f + a)s + KK_f), contrasting with the book's version K/(s^2J + (KK_f + a)s + K). The key takeaway is the distinction between the forward path and feedback path transfer functions in the closed-loop formula.

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Homework Statement


I am trying to write a block diagram as a transfer function.

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Let ##G = \frac{1}{s}##, ##H = \frac{K}{Js + a}##, and ##L= K_f##. Then wouldn't the closed loop transfer function be written as
$$
\frac{\frac{HLG}{1+HL}}{1 + \frac{HLG}{1+HL}} = \frac{KK_f}{s^2J + (KK_f + a)s + KK_f}
$$
I only ask because the book has it as
$$
\frac{K}{s^2J + (KK_f + a)s + K}
$$
and I don't see how that was obtained.
 
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The transfer function for your inner feedback loop is \frac{H(s)}{1 + H(s) L(s)}, not \frac{H(s) L(s)}{1 + H(s) L(s)}.

I think that should sort it out.
 
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milesyoung said:
The transfer function for your inner feedback loop is \frac{H(s)}{1 + H(s) L(s)}, not \frac{H(s) L(s)}{1 + H(s) L(s)}.

I think that should sort it out.

Can you explain why that is?
 
Dustinsfl said:
Can you explain why that is?
It's an easy mistake to make. The transfer function in the forward path appears in both the numerator and denominator of the closed-loop transfer function but the transfer function in the feedback path does not:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed-loop_transfer_function
 

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