Bode Plot Method For a Transfer Function

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The discussion focuses on the Bode Plot method for analyzing transfer functions, specifically addressing the interpretation of a transfer function where 's' is replaced by 'jω'. The participants confirm that the denominator was correctly factored, but a mistake was made by omitting a factor of 10 in the numerator. They clarify that the amplitude expression should utilize 20 log for the correct representation, while also noting a potential error in including 'j' in the amplitude calculation. The consensus is that the mathematical rules allow for simplification in the expression.

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Hi ,

I was hoping you could look at this link and let me know if I have interpreted the method correctly

http://i.imgur.com/5axTiBN.jpg

As I understand it the transfer function has had s replaced by jw but also the top and bottom are divided by 10 -
This is so that the brackets on the bottom fit a first order lag? Though it looks like they forgot to divide the top by 10.

When it gets put into dB form 20log10 is used for the first term though?

Is that correct and the 100 in the numerator is a typo?Thanks
 
Yes, they factorized the denominator from (jω + 10) to 10(jω/10 + 1) but accidently lost that first 10.

The reason for standardising on the form (jω/N + 1) is so that for ω<<N this term contributes a value of approx unity to the T.F. so can be "ignored" until ω→N.

I don't like their use of 10‧log |(jω)2 + 1|
I think the j should not be included like that; we don't want to square the j.

The full expression for the amplitude of each term does correctly involve 20‧log
but because each frequency-dependent expression is of the form,
e.g., 20‧log √((1/10)2 + 12)
the rules of mathematics allow them to combine the 20 and the √ and write it as 10 without the √.

you should satisfy yourself of the validity of this.

A little confusing! [emoji84]
 

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