Books about tensor analysis just good enough for physics

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The discussion revolves around finding suitable books on tensor analysis that are concise yet adequate for applications in physics, particularly in areas such as group theory, relativistic quantum mechanics, and quantum field theory. Participants express challenges with exercises in the book "Mathematical Methods for Physicists" by Arfken, Weber, and Harris, specifically regarding the understanding of tensor differentiation and related concepts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a thin book on tensor analysis that is suitable for physics applications, expressing difficulty with exercises in Arfken, Weber, and Harris.
  • Another participant attempts to clarify the differentiation of tensors, suggesting that the gradient of a tensor field of rank n is a tensor of rank n+1.
  • There is a discussion about the terminology used for tensors and covectors, with a participant noting that standard nomenclature refers to covectors rather than vectors.
  • A participant questions the relevance of certain topics in tensor analysis, such as Jacobians and differential forms, to their studies in group theory and quantum field theory.
  • One participant advises that completing the remaining parts of the tensor analysis chapter may enhance confidence in mathematics, even if the direct relevance to future studies is unclear.
  • Another participant reflects on the definition of tensors and their transformation properties, seeking to understand how a derived quantity maintains tensor characteristics under coordinate transformations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of completing all sections of the tensor analysis chapter, with some advocating for thoroughness while others question the relevance of certain topics. There is no consensus on the best approach to understanding tensor differentiation or the adequacy of the book's explanations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note challenges with specific exercises and the clarity of solutions provided in the text. There are references to the transformation properties of tensors and the definitions used in the literature, indicating potential variations in understanding and terminology.

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Hi. I am looking for a book about tensor analysis. I am aware that there have been some post about those books, but I wish to find a thin book rather than a tome but just good enough for physics, such as group theory, relativistic quantum mechanics, and quantum field theory.

I am reading Mathematical Methods for Physicists by Arfken, Weber, Harris. The content in the chapter of tensors is quite easy to understand, but when it comes to the exercises, I can only solve half of them. Besides, even looking at the solutions, I can not understand them.

For example,
If ##T_{...i}## is a tensor of rank ##n##, show that ##\partial {T_{...i}} / \partial {x^j}## is a tensor of rank ##n+1##. (Cartesian coordinates).

The solution is just a sentence that
As the gradient transforms like a vector, it is clear that the gradient of a tensor field of rank ##n## is a tensor of rank ##n+1##.

I cannot understand the solution at all. Maybe the content of this chapter is not self-content?

By the way, what would you do if the problems in some book are hard to solve? I have read nonlinear optics by Boyd and quantum optics by Scully. I find that I can handle the content of these two books, but I can not solve most of the problems. My tutor ask me to just read the books, and leave the problems aside. However I do not feel good enough if I cannot solve problems. Maybe I have some problems...
 
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Not as a correct mathematics but to be accustomed to the way, I will show
\frac{\partial T_{abc...hi}}{\partial x^j }=T_{abc...hi \ \mathbf{,\ j}}
It shows that differentiation by contra variant component is one more addition to covariant component and "," means this differentiation or gradient.
For an example of rank 0 tensor, scalar ##\phi##
\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial x^i}=\phi_{,i}=-\mathbf{E}
minus electric field vector (= rank 1 tensor of covariant component ) in electrostatics for i={1,2,3}.
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
vector (= rank 1 tensor of covariant component )

Standard nomenclature is that it's covector, not vector. But you can transform it to a vector using metric tensor.
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
Not as a correct mathematics but to be accustomed to the way, I will show
\frac{\partial T_{abc...hi}}{\partial x^j }=T_{abc...hi \ \mathbf{,\ j}}
It shows that differentiation by contra variant component is one more addition to covariant component and "," means this differentiation or gradient.
For an example of rank 0 tensor, scalar ##\phi##
\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial x^i}=\phi_{,i}=-\mathbf{E}
minus electric field vector (= rank 1 tensor of covariant component ) in electrostatics for i={1,2,3}.
Thanks! But I still do not understand the solution.

By the way, I have finished tensor analysis, pseudotensors, dual tensors, tensors in general coordinates. the remaining part of the chapter have Jacobians, differential Forms, differentiating forms, and integrating forms. Should I finish the remaining part? I do not see the connections between them and those subjects that I am going to learn, such as group theory, quantum field theory, and relativistic quantum mechanics.

If they are not relavent to those areas, I would direct my limited time to other chapters.
 
Haorong Wu said:
Should I finish the remaining part?

I am not qualified to the fields you mentioned, but I recommend you to go through the text anyway. You will be more confident on the mathematics and get a place to come back when you really need it.
 
Haorong Wu said:
I am reading Mathematical Methods for Physicists by Arfken, Weber, Harris. The content in the chapter of tensors is quite easy to understand, but when it comes to the exercises, I can only solve half of them. Besides, even looking at the solutions, I can not understand them.

For example,The solution is just a sentence thatI cannot understand the solution at all. Maybe the content of this chapter is not self-content?

My copy of Arfken and Weber has decided to self-isolate at a location different from my location, so I do not have it at hand. Probably Arfken, Weber, and Harris define tensors as quantities that have certain transformation properties under a change of coordinates. (It is difficult for me to imagine that Arfken, Weber, and Harris define tensors as multilinear maps.)

As an example, consider a tensor (with components) ##T_{ab}##. Define a new quantity ##A_{abc}## by
$$A_{abc} = \frac{\partial T_{ab}}{\partial x^c}.$$

By considering a new coordinate system, and by using the multivariable chain rule, show that ##A_{abc}## has the right transformation property to be a tensor.
 

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