Bounded regions and triple integrals

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The discussion revolves around finding the volume of a solid bounded by an elliptic cylinder defined by the equation 2x² + y² = 1 and the plane y + z = 1, specifically in the first octant. Participants are exploring the setup for triple integration to calculate this volume.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to sketch the region and set up the triple integral but express confusion about whether to find the volume of the entire solid or just the portion in the first quadrant. There are discussions about using different coordinate systems, including rectangular, cylindrical, and spherical coordinates, with some participants noting difficulties in setting up the integrals due to the elliptic nature of the cylinder.

Discussion Status

Some participants have proposed specific integrals in rectangular coordinates and are seeking feedback on their correctness. Others have suggested transformations to simplify the integration process, such as mapping the elliptic cylinder to a circular form in a new coordinate system. The conversation reflects a mix of interpretations and approaches, with no clear consensus reached yet.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework guidelines, which may limit the amount of direct assistance they can receive. There is also an emphasis on understanding the geometric implications of the problem and the transformations involved.

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Homework Statement



a) sketch the region in the first octant bounded by the elliptic cylinder 2x^2+y^2=1 and the plane y+z=1.
b) find the volume of this solid by triple integration.

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I have already sketched the elliptic cylinder and the plane. my problem arises with the triple integration.
I do not understand if i have to find the volume of the entire solid or the volume of the solid in the first quadrant.
also i am having trouble setting up the integrals because of the ellipse. i tried both cylindrical coordinates and spherical but i get stuck because of the 2.

for spherical coordinates i get stuck at the following: rho^2sin^2(phi)(2cos^2(theta)+sin^2(theta))=1
for cylindrical i get stuck here: 2r^2cos^2(theta)+r^2sin^2(theta)=1
 
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i have also figuired the following integral out but I am not sure if it correct. i did this one in rectangular coordinates.

4(∫dx∫dy∫dz)

where the limits of integration for x are 0 to 1/√2
for y are 0 to √(1-2x^2)
for z are 0 to 1-y

can anybody comment on this?
 
You want to find the volume of the solid under ##z = 1 - y## and above the elliptic cylinder ##2x^2 + y^2 = 1## in the first octant, i.e ##x, y, z \geq 0##.

$$\iiint_V \space dV = \iint_R \int_0^{1-y} \space dzdA = \iint_R 1 - y \space dA$$

Now project the elliptic cylinder onto the x-y plane, this will allow you to obtain limits for ##x## and ##y##. To obtain these limits, I would suggest creating an invertible transformation between the ##(x,y)## and ##(u,v)## space and then finding the corresponding Jacobian.
 
i don't know how to do the transformations; owever, i have come up with the integral, the problem is i don't know how to compute it. i came up with the integral in rectangular form and it goes as follows
∫dx∫dy∫dz

where the limits of integration for x are 0 to 1/√2
for y are 0 to √(1-2x^2)
for z are 0 to 1-y

also i tried to convert cylindrical and spherical coordinates but was then stuck becasue of the two, any help on how to compute this integral would be greatly appreciated.
 
tix24 said:
i don't know how to do the transformations; owever, i have come up with the integral, the problem is i don't know how to compute it. i came up with the integral in rectangular form and it goes as follows
∫dx∫dy∫dz

where the limits of integration for x are 0 to 1/√2
for y are 0 to √(1-2x^2)
for z are 0 to 1-y

also i tried to convert cylindrical and spherical coordinates but was then stuck becasue of the two, any help on how to compute this integral would be greatly appreciated.

Your Cartesian integral looks fine, and can be handled with simple substitutions.

The reason I suggested the ##(u,v)## co-ordinate transform though is it will allow you to map the elliptic cylinder in ##(x,y)## space to a circle of radius 1 in the ##(u,v)## space. Now that you have a ##(u,v)## integral, you can apply polar co-ordinates to the circle and basically read limits off without thinking.

In case you want to try it, let ##x = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} u## and ##y = v##, the elliptic cylinder then maps to ##u^2 + v^2 = 1##.
 
Zondrina said:
Your Cartesian integral looks fine, and can be handled with simple substitutions.

The reason I suggested the ##(u,v)## co-ordinate transform though is it will allow you to map the elliptic cylinder in ##(x,y)## space to a circle of radius 1 in the ##(u,v)## space. Now that you have a ##(u,v)## integral, you can apply polar co-ordinates to the circle and basically read limits off without thinking.

In case you want to try it, let ##x = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2}} u## and ##y = v##, the elliptic cylinder then maps to ##u^2 + v^2 = 1##.
how can i solve the integral with simple subsittution? if i break the integral up into 2 diferent integrals and use the sum rule, in one integral i have a square root and u substituion does not hold for this case as far as i can tell, so how would i go about solving this problem?
 
tix24 said:
how can i solve the integral with simple subsittution? if i break the integral up into 2 diferent integrals and use the sum rule, in one integral i have a square root and u substituion does not hold for this case as far as i can tell, so how would i go about solving this problem?

You have the integral:

$$\iint_R 1 - y \space dA = \int_0^{\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}} \int_0^{\sqrt{1 - 2x^2}} 1 - y \space dydx = \int_0^{\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}} \sqrt{1 - 2x^2} - \frac{1 - 2x^2}{2} \space dx$$

The integral of ##\sqrt{1 - 2x^2}## should remind you of a first year integral. It is of the form ##\sqrt{a^2 - y^2}## and should ring bells about trig substitutions.
 

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