Box topology does not preserve first countable

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The discussion centers around the properties of box topology in relation to first countability, specifically questioning whether the product of first countable spaces remains first countable under the box topology. Participants explore the implications of this property and seek counterexamples to illustrate the differences between product and box topologies.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that while the product topology preserves first countability if each space is first countable, this may not hold for the box topology and seeks a counterexample.
  • Another participant proposes using the space ##\mathbb{R}^{\mathbb{N}}## and suggests examining neighborhoods around the point ##\vec{0}## to demonstrate that a countable neighborhood basis may not exist.
  • A further hint is provided referencing Cantor's diagonal argument as a method to think about the problem.
  • A participant presents a specific construction of neighborhoods in the box topology, concluding that a certain neighborhood does not belong to any countable basis, thus indicating that the space is not first countable.
  • The same participant raises a question about whether the space might still be sequential, indicating uncertainty about the relationship between first countability and sequentiality in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the box topology is sequential or on the implications of their findings regarding first countability. Multiple competing views remain regarding the properties of the box topology.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of neighborhoods in the box topology and their relation to countability, but does not resolve the implications of these assumptions or the relationship between first countability and sequentiality.

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Readers interested in topology, particularly those exploring the nuances of product and box topologies, as well as concepts of countability and sequentiality in topological spaces.

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So, in the topology text I'm reading is mentioned that if each ##X_n## is first countable, then ##\prod_{n\in \mathbb{N}} X_n## is first countable as well under the product topology. And then it says that this does not need to be true for the box topology. But there is no justification at all. Does anybody know a good counterexample?
 
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Let [itex]X_n=\mathbb{R}[/itex] and [itex]X= \prod_{n \in \mathbb{N}} X_n = \mathbb{R}^{\mathbb{N}}[/itex]. Suppose [itex]U_{n \in \mathbb{N}}[/itex] is a countable neighborhood basis for the point [itex]\vec{0} = (0,0, \ldots ) \in X[/itex].

See if you can think of an open neighborhood of [itex]\vec{0}[/itex] that does not contain anyone of the [itex]U_n[/itex]'s. That would contradict the assumption that the [itex]U_n[/itex]'s form a countable neighborhood basis of [itex]\vec{0}[/itex] in the first place and would show that [itex]X[/itex] is not first countable.
 
As an added hint, recall Cantor's diagonal argument.
 
Thanks a lot guys!

Here's what I came up with. We can of course assume that ##U_n = \prod_{k\in \mathbb{N}} (a_k^n,b_k^n)##, and that all intervals ##(a_k^n,b_k^n)## are bounded. Now we consider the neighborhood ##\prod_{k\in \mathbb{N}} (a_k^k/2, b_k^k/2)##. This is not included in any ##U_n##. That seems to do it.

So it's not first countable. But maybe it is sequential? Is there something known about that?
 

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