Breit Wigner for photon intermediates

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Breit-Wigner formula in the context of photon intermediates in particle reactions, specifically focusing on the reaction e^- + e^+ → γ → μ^- + μ^+. Participants explore the implications of using the formula for massless particles like photons and the conditions under which it may or may not be applicable.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the meaning of E_0 in the Breit-Wigner formula, particularly in relation to photon intermediates.
  • Another participant suggests that E_0 could simply be zero for photons.
  • Some participants argue that the Breit-Wigner formula is not suitable for the reaction involving photons, indicating it is more appropriate for massive resonances like the phi meson.
  • In contrast, another participant defends the use of the Breit-Wigner form, referencing a specific analysis that includes both photon and Z boson intermediates, suggesting that the formula can apply in certain contexts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is disagreement among participants regarding the applicability of the Breit-Wigner formula for the discussed reaction. Some assert it is inappropriate for massless intermediates like photons, while others contend that it can still be relevant under specific conditions.

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Participants reference specific resonances and conditions that may affect the applicability of the Breit-Wigner formula, including the nature of the intermediate particles and the energies involved in the reactions.

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Hey!

I'm hoping someone can help me understand a basic problem I'm having with understanding the BW formula:

<br /> \sigma(i,j) = \frac{\pi}{k^2} \frac{\Gamma_i \Gamma_j}{(E - E_0)^2 + \Gamma}<br />

In this, E_0 is the "characteristic rest mass energy of the resonance." I thought this meant the rest mass of the intermediate particle for the resonance, but in the case of a photon how does this work?

Then I tried to consider the products, but surely the energy of the final system, and therefore it's rest mass, depends on the energy of the incident particles?

The specific reaction I'm trying to understand is e^- + e^+ \rightarrow \gamma \rightarrow \mu^- + \mu^+


Thanks for any help!
 
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What's wrong with the obvious, E0 = 0?
 
The Breit-Wigner is not appropriate for that reaction. It would be appropriate if you were going through a massive resonance, like a phi.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
The Breit-Wigner is not appropriate for that reaction. It would be appropriate if you were going through a massive resonance, like a phi.

Gotcha. Turns out that the resonances I was looking at are due to b\bar{b}^\star = \Upsilon^\star intermediates that decay to \Upsilons. For anyone else who stumbles on this, these are the resonances at ~10GeV.
 
Well you may be seeing another resonance, but I still think the Breit-Wigner form (or a limiting case of it) is entirely appropriate for a reaction like this. I'm Looking at Halzen and Martin, who analyze e+ e- → μ+ μ-, specifically for the interference effect caused by neutral currents. That is, the intermediate particle can either be γ or Z. They find the invariant matrix elements (ignoring nonessential factors)

Mγ = e2/s
MZ = g2/(s - MZ2 + iMZΓZ)

where s is the Mandelstam s. The latter is clearly Breit-Wigner, and the former a limiting case of it.
 

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