News EHM and the Assassination of Presidents Roldós and Torrijos in South America

[Burnsys]

Bush is comming to my country Argentina to the IV summit of the americas

Becouse of bush presence in the country:

3 bombs has been detonated, 1 in citybank, 1 in mcdonals, 1 in blockbuster. (All of them in the night no people injured)
There will be A national strike the day president Bush arrive against him
Masive movilizations allready are taking place in all around the country.
Bush has been denounced under the supreme court of Argentina with charges of Crimes against humainity, between others.
Knowing Bush is a soccer fun, now in almost all soccer matchs you can see people with big banners with things like: "Bush you son of a $·&", "Bush go HOME" etc.
There are expected masive movilizations of about half a millon people the days of the summit.
Maradona, the nr 1 soccer player in the world will be heading one of the movilizations against bush in the summit.

Anti Bush Rally
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Creating terrorists:
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http://argentina.indymedia.org/uploads/2005/10/p1010048.jpg

The fight of the opresed people is the limit to tyrants!
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Bush is comming
http://argentina.indymedia.org/uploads/2005/10/bush2.jpg

Big brother is you
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Note: I will be posting in this topic until the summit the day friday 4..

 

[Manchot]

You know what I've always wondered? If a country (such as Argentina) decides that a foreign leader committed high crimes, is there ever a chance that they'd arrest him or her? (Probably not, due to the threat of an invasion.)

 

[Burnsys]

You know what I've always wondered? If a country (such as Argentina) decides that a foreign leader committed high crimes, is there ever a chance that they'd arrest him or her? (Probably not, due to the threat of an invasion.)

The problem is that if a government has not the support of us gov, it's really dificult it to came to power. and if it does, it's probable that the cia will overtrow it. and i am talking for experience here... not making asumptions, y have plenty of examples for that. unless here in latin and central america that is the rule...

 

[Moonbear]

Bush is comming to my country Argentina to the IV summit of the americas
Becouse of bush presence in the country:
3 bombs has been detonated, 1 in citybank, 1 in mcdonals, 1 in blockbuster. (All of them in the night no people injured)

Now that is really sad. I will never understand the mindset of a person who will hurt innocent people (or even risk it...nobody was injured, but you never know if someone might have unexpectedly been walking past when it happened) or destroy property as a form of protest.

There will be A national strike the day president Bush arrive against him
Masive movilizations allready are taking place in all around the country.
Bush has been denounced under the supreme court of Argentina with charges of Crimes against humainity, between others.

So, if the Argentinian supreme court has denounced him, why has Argentina invited him? I don't really understand that. Why not make it clear to him that he's not welcome by just not inviting him? Is there disagreement among high government officials about Bush?

Knowing Bush is a soccer fun, now in almost all soccer matchs you can see people with big banners with things like: "Bush you son of a $·&", "Bush go HOME" etc.

Tee hee...probably annoying if you just want to watch soccer without political commentary. I never watch soccer; I wonder if they show those parts of the crowd when they air a match in the US?

There are expected masive movilizations of about half a millon people the days of the summit.
Maradona, the nr 1 soccer player in the world will be heading one of the movilizations against bush in the summit.
Anti Bush Rally
http://argentina.indymedia.org/uploads/2005/10/p1010028.jpg
Creating terrorists:
http://argentina.indymedia.org/uploads/2005/10/19.jpgt9sjlg.jpg
http://argentina.indymedia.org/uploads/2005/10/p1010048.jpg
The fight of the opresed people is the limit to tyrants!
http://argentina.indymedia.org/uploads/2005/10/pic_0042.jpg
Bush is comming
http://argentina.indymedia.org/uploads/2005/10/bush2.jpg
Big brother is you
http://argentina.indymedia.org/uploads/2005/10/14.jpg4auot5.jpg
Note: I will be posting in this topic until the summit the day friday 4..

I hope it remains peaceful and nobody gets hurt.

 

[Anttech]

You know what I've always wondered? If a country (such as Argentina) decides that a foreign leader committed high crimes, is there ever a chance that they'd arrest him or her? (Probably not, due to the threat of an invasion.)

Were you aware of this:

http://www.hrw.org/press/2002/08/aspa080302.htm

U.S. President George Bush today signed into law the American Servicemembers Protection Act of 2002, which is intended to intimidate countries that ratify the treaty for the International Criminal Court (ICC). The new law authorizes the use of military force to liberate any American or citizen of a U.S.-allied country being held by the court, which is located in The Hague. This provision, dubbed the "Hague invasion clause," has caused a strong reaction from U.S. allies around the world, particularly in the Netherlands.

 

[Echo 6 Sierra]

That's nice. Three and a half more years is it?

 

[Burnsys]

Now that is really sad. I will never understand the mindset of a person who will hurt innocent people (or even risk it...nobody was injured, but you never know if someone might have unexpectedly been walking past when it happened) or destroy property as a form of protest.

Are you tallking about bush?? no klidding, yes i know, they put the bombs there becouse they are icons of American imperialism, and they did it in times where they where closed, anyway there is always the posibility someone get hurt.

So, if the Argentinian supreme court has denounced him, why has Argentina invited him? I don't really understand that. Why not make it clear to him that he's not welcome by just not inviting him? Is there disagreement among high government officials about Bush?

No, private citicenz denounced bushh in the supreme court.

Tee hee...probably annoying if you just want to watch soccer without political commentary. I never watch soccer; I wonder if they show those parts of the crowd when they air a match in the US?

Well, knowing that 80% of the people here in argentina dislikes bush, i don't thing they find it anoying.

I hope it remains peaceful and nobody gets hurt.

I hope the same, couse i will be there marching.

 

[cronxeh]

What the hell is wrong with you people.. that's our President, we'll deal with him on our terms

 

[Burnsys]

What the hell is wrong with you people.. that's our President, we'll deal with him on our terms

No cronex, he is the self apointed president of the world if you didn't notice it.. then we all have to deal with him..

 

[El Hombre Invisible]

What the hell is wrong with you people.. that's our President, we'll deal with him on our terms

What a wonderful idea: letting a country deal with its leader on its own terms. Amen to that.

 

[cronxeh]

No cronex, he is the self apointed president of the world if you didn't notice it.. then we all have to deal with him..

"Irregardless" of that, he is still the President of the United States, a title which has significance even if we disagree with who happens to hold that title. As such, the President will be defended both domestically and abroad. If we happen to impeach him, then you hippies in Argentina can do whatever you want with him, but until then he is the President and he's got his football and the finger on the button.

 

[Moonbear]

Are you tallking about bush?? no klidding, yes i know, they put the bombs there becouse they are icons of American imperialism, and they did it in times where they where closed, anyway there is always the posibility someone get hurt.

Yeah, that was my point...protesting that he is hurting others by hurting others doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

No, private citicenz denounced bushh in the supreme court.

Oh, okay. I just don't understand enough about Argentina's government to have realized what that meant. Thanks for clarifying.

I hope the same, couse i will be there marching.

Stay safe!

 

[Moonbear]

What the hell is wrong with you people.. that's our President, we'll deal with him on our terms

If he was only meddling in domestic policy, that would be a fair statement, but as long as he's meddling in foreign affairs, anyone affected by his policies certainly should have the right to take issue with him on it.

 

[cronxeh]

If he was only meddling in domestic policy, that would be a fair statement, but as long as he's meddling in foreign affairs, anyone affected by his policies certainly should have the right to take issue with him on it.

By killing him abroad the issue won't be resolved, it will only put the American troops on their soil - because don't forget who will be the next President after current President - the current Vice President, oh with Republican domination of the Congress and Supreme Court, as well as Argentina having oil rest assured we'll be there within 24 hours

 

[El Hombre Invisible]

If we happen to impeach him, then you hippies in Argentina can do whatever you want with him, but until then he is the President and he's got his football and the finger on the button.

Intelligent..! "Hippies" indeed. What an solid argument against freedom of expression (thinking more the banners than the bombs, needless to say).

 

[cronxeh]

Intelligent..! "Hippies" indeed. What an solid argument against freedom of expression (thinking more the banners than the bombs, needless to say).

No maybe I come off as a bit arrogant to you, but honestly - who cares about those banners? We get to read intelligently constructed arguments in New York Times as it as, with your ranting on the streets in the middle of the autumn nobody really cares - its old rhetoric by now, we heard it time and time again, and then some.

 

[Moonbear]

By killing him abroad the issue won't be resolved,

Who said anything about killing him? The topic is about protesting his visit.

 

[Anttech]

as well as Argentina having oil rest assured we'll be there within 24 hours

Judging by katrina, I doubt you would be there in a couple of weeks

 

[cronxeh]

Judging by katrina, I doubt you would be there in a couple of weeks

You'd be surprised *unpleasantly*

Who said anything about killing him? The topic is about protesting his visit.

Ah a good point, however I remember his visit to Georgia where they held similar protests and someone threw a grenade at him. I thought by posting one discombobulated response I'd kill all the birds associated with this issue of attacking the foreign country's leader.

Rememeber the assassination of Austria's Franz Ferdinand? Thats how world wars start.

 

[Burnsys]

You'd be surprised *unpleasantly*
Ah a good point, however I remember his visit to Georgia where they held similar protests and someone threw a grenade at him. I thought by posting one discombobulated response I'd kill all the birds associated with this issue of attacking the foreign country's leader.
Rememeber the assassination of Austria's Franz Ferdinand? Thats how world wars start.

Do you know which is the only country that has a "Foreing Leaders assesination policy" ? You should...

 

[Anttech]

You'd be surprised *unpleasantly*

Why would I? I don't think your Country will in a million years "invade" mine... If you want to have a constructive argument then lets, but this is just OTT speculation isn't it?

 

[El Hombre Invisible]

You'd be surprised *unpleasantly*
Ah a good point, however I remember his visit to Georgia where they held similar protests and someone threw a grenade at him. I thought by posting one discombobulated response I'd kill all the birds associated with this issue of attacking the foreign country's leader.

If you were aware that your response was discombobulated, how could you have any expectations as to its effect?

Rememeber the assassination of Austria's Franz Ferdinand? Thats how world wars start.

Yes, it is a shame the assassination of Bush would probably not be interpreted as the gesture of good will no doubt intended.

 

[Burnsys]

Roadblocks

Ok, today we had 3 roadblocks and 2 bridges bloked in protest against bush visits.

 

[El Hombre Invisible]

Ok, today we had 3 roadblocks and 2 bridges bloked in protest against bush visits.

Sounds like this protest is going nowhere.

 

[Burnsys]

Sounds like this protest is going nowhere.

Just wait...
Here is some information about the security measures to protect bush:
The city of mar del plata, a turistic city is now totaly militarized..
There are 3 rings of security around the places where the summit will be made. about 9000 police and security officials will be active protecting each one of the security rings, Bush alone take with him 1200 security persononel pluss how knows how many cia agents, he will be escolted by 4 figther jets, and there are rumors he will sleep in his plane...

The security Rings:
http://www.clarin.com/diario/2005/11/01/fotos/info4.jpg
http://www.clarin.com/diario/2005/11/01/fotos/t005dh01.jpg

People who live inside the security rings are forced to carry and ID to enter theyr own homes, they were all interrogated prior to get their ID and their houses were inspected.
Schools are closed

Police Stations were emptied and converted into Temporary detention centers.

http://argentina.indymedia.org/uploads/2005/10/pic_0079.jpg

 

[Burnsys]

Movilization against Lookhed martins here in argentina to protest the presence of bush.
Thursday 3 the people of cordoba will rally to the factory of lookhed in cordoba partner of president bush in his imperialistic plans in the world..

 

[Burnsys]

3 Journalists from Indymedia bolivia has been taken by civilian police officers in Mar del plata and put in detention.

 

[klusener]

How did it go, burnsys? I'm not sure if your protest is today or tomorrow.

 

[Anttech]

Whats he doing there anyway?

 

[devil-fire]

You'd be surprised *unpleasantly*

you seem eager to go to war. this is what anti-american protests are all about

 

[devil-fire]

Do you know which is the only country that has a "Foreing Leaders assesination policy" ? You should...

currently Canada is in a trade dispute with the usa over softwood lumber. i hope wer not next but alas, american furry can strike far and wide

 

[Burnsys]

How did it go, burnsys? I'm not sure if your protest is today or tomorrow.

Hi guys Protest is today, bush came here yesterday at 20:45.
Today at 10:15 a group of people tried to enter the US embasy, they clash on the barricades, and couldn't get in.

Subway are closed becouse of fear of terrorists attacs.

There are movilizations in almos every state of the country.


In MDP the city where is taking place the summit, also is taking place the "People Summit" headed by chavez, Maradone, Peace nobel price "Perez esquivel" and others, a lot of people think this "Summit of the people" is a strategy to keep the people away from the summit and so avoid incidents.

There are almost 60.000 people in MDP protesting against bush..

At 5PM we expect hte most masive movilizations in MDP and here in the capital...

Some Pictures:
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[Skyhunter]

Just wait...
Here is some information about the security measures to protect bush:
The city of mar del plata, a turistic city is now totaly militarized..
There are 3 rings of security around the places where the summit will be made. about 9000 police and security officials will be active protecting each one of the security rings, Bush alone take with him 1200 security persononel pluss how knows how many cia agents, he will be escolted by 4 figther jets, and there are rumors he will sleep in his plane...
The security Rings:
http://www.clarin.com/diario/2005/11/01/fotos/info4.jpg
http://www.clarin.com/diario/2005/11/01/fotos/t005dh01.jpg
People who live inside the security rings are forced to carry and ID to enter theyr own homes, they were all interrogated prior to get their ID and their houses were inspected.
Schools are closed
Police Stations were emptied and converted into Temporary detention centers.
http://argentina.indymedia.org/uploads/2005/10/pic_0079.jpg

This is common practice whenever Bush goes abroad.

Cities that he visits are placed under virtual martial law.

I have a Turkish friend who teaches English here in the states. She was in Istanbul a few years back when Bush was there. She told me that the whole city was under a curfew, while he was there. They virtually shut down the city for his entire visit.

Of course this makes the people of other countries ever so much fonder of Americans.

He is such an embarrassment, I wish he would appoint George Voinovich VP and resign.

 

[Evo]

Well, the riots broke out, just awful. Those people ought to be ashamed of themselves. They had a chance to make an intelligent protest and they blew it. Disgraceful.

 

[Burnsys]

Well, the riots broke out, just awful. Those people ought to be ashamed of themselves. They had a chance to make an intelligent protest and they blew it. Disgraceful.

Actualy your shouldn't generalize, becouse there were 50.000 people marching peacefully, and only 100 or lees causing problems and burning stuff. Actualy when those 100 started the incidents, the rest of the people decided to leave and not be part of it.
You fall into the mass media propaganda... you should be ashamed of yourself for making your opinions only on what you see on tv.
Here are some pictures i take from the marchs you won't be shown on tv...

 

[Burnsys]

More Pictures

Statues.jpg Leyends:

Profits are privatized, lossings are socialized.


Statues2.jpg Leyends:

75% of world commers are managed by the most whealt countrys

In 3 years bush spent more in weapons that the world spent in 1 year in education

Mr bush, we won't allow your "Bush" to grow in our land.

 

[SOS2008]

Whats he doing there anyway?

Good question.

Deadlock over free trade at Americas summit
Associated Press
Nov. 5, 2005

MAR DEL PLATA, Argentina - Leaders from across the Americas, wrapping up a two-day summit overshadowed by rampaging protesters, faced a deadlock Saturday over the future of a U.S.-backed free trade zone spanning the Western Hemisphere.
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Protests have become commonplace at summits, especially those dealing with free trade and U.S. policies. But Friday’s violence was much smaller than massive clashes in 2001 during the Americas Summit in Quebec, when police detained 400 people and scores were injured.
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Free trade dominates summit
Summit participants were expected to include language in their final declaration about the FTAA, but appeared set to fail to include an April date to restart high-level talks wanted by 29 of the 34 Latin American and Caribbean nations holding the event.

The declaration also was expected to address key issues for Latin America — including job creation, immigration and disaster relief for an area that is often devastated by hurricanes and earthquakes.

But the battle over the future of the FTAA dominated the summit. Fox said the 29 countries want a version adopted that sets the April dateline for negotiations, but the dissenters were holding out for language that mentions no date and says “conditions are not right” for an FTAA because key issues like agricultural subsidies for American farmers have not been addressed. The declaration must be approved by all member nations.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9904968/

The underlined reports seems contradictory to me. Anyway, the question is, if the FTAA is such a wonderful thing for Latin America, why are many of these countries against it?

 

[Burnsys]

https://www.citizen.org/documents/FTAA_pamphlet.pdf

 

[flotsam]

Quote; 'In addition, the law provides for the withdrawal of U.S. military assistance from countries ratifying the ICC treaty'

Perhaps Iraq should ratify the ICC treaty!

Bush came to Scotland with the other 7 godfathers of capitalism in July for the G8 summit. I was there venting my displeasure.

 

[Anttech]

Bush came to Scotland with the other 7 godfathers of capitalism in July for the G8 summit. I was there venting my displeasure.

My Parents house had sniffer dogs round etc etc due to the close proximity of Prestwick airport... Not even Elvis got that treatment

 

[flotsam]

My Parents house had sniffer dogs round etc etc due to the close proximity of Prestwick airport... Not even Elvis got that treatment

Yes that's true, but given the chance most of the world population would want to have hugged and kissed Elvis on his short and only visit to the UK.
I am pretty confident that would not be the case concerning George Bush.

 

[Informal Logic]

https://www.citizen.org/documents/FTAA_pamphlet.pdf

There was a thread on EHM last year, which made me think of the book "Conscience of an Economic Hit Men" by John Perkins.

Perkins writes, "The book was to be dedicated to the presidents of two countries, men who had been his clients whom I respected and thought of as kindred spirits - Jaime Roldós, president of Ecuador, and Omar Torrijos, president of Panama. Both had just died in fiery crashes. Their deaths were not accidental. They were assassinated because they opposed that fraternity of corporate, government, and banking heads whose goal is global empire. We Economic Hit Men failed to bring Roldós and Torrijos around, and the other type of hit men, the CIA-sanctioned jackals who were always right behind us, stepped in.

John Perkins goes on to write: "I was persuaded to stop writing that book. I started it four more times during the next twenty years. On each occasion, my decision to begin again was influenced by current world events: the U.S. invasion of Panama in 1980, the first Gulf War, Somalia, and the rise of Osama bin Laden. However, threats or bribes always convinced me to stop."

I would be interested to know what members from South America think of these claims.