Calculate Magnet Strength for Lifting 75 kg Iron in 1 Second - Morten

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To lift a 75 kg iron mass straight up in one second, the required magnet strength varies significantly based on the shape of the magnet and the airgap, potentially ranging from 1T to 100T. The attraction force is determined by the magnetic energy density in the airgap, calculated using the formula Edens = ½*B*H. For a total area of 0.1 m², the force density is approximately 7370 N/m², leading to a magnetic field strength (B) of about 0.136 T. Calculations indicate that around 216,000 ampere-windings are necessary for a 1-meter distance with two airgaps. Understanding these variables is crucial for accurate magnet strength calculations.
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Hi. Can somebody make a calculation for me?
how strong do a magnet need to be to lift a mass of 75 kg iron 1 meter straigth up in 1 second.
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Ankhen said:
how strong do a magnet need to be to lift a mass of 75 kg iron 1 meter straigth up in 1 second.
It cannot be calculated just like that, because it depends on the shape of the iron and the magnet ( actually the shape of the airgap ).

So correct answers could be 1T or 100T, depending on the shapes.
 
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Hesch said:
It cannot be calculated just like that, because it depends on the shape of the iron and the magnet ( actually the shape of the airgap ).

So correct answers could be 1T or 100T, depending on the shapes.
Hi Hesch and thanks
Can you explaine it a little more, perhapse with some calculations so I can understand it?
 
Ankhen said:
Can you explaine it a little more
The attraction is not due to some "magnetic poles" inside the magnet, but due to magnetic energy density in the airgap between magnet and iron, which is:

Edens = ½*B*H [ J/m3 ].

Thus the energy: E = Edens*(volume of airgap) = Edens*(cross section area)*(width) of airgap = Edens*A*s.

The force: F = dE/ds = Edens*A.

Is the width of the airgap 1m in the starting position, or are magnet/iron closed up all the way ?
 
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Hesch said:
The attraction is not due to some "magnetic poles" inside the magnet, but due to magnetic energy density in the airgap between magnet and iron, which is:

Edens = ½*B*H [ J/m3 ].

Thus the energy: E = Edens*(volume of airgap) = Edens*(cross section area)*(width) of airgap = Edens*A*s.

The force: F = dE/ds = Edens*A.

Is the width of the airgap 1m in the starting position, or are magnet/iron closed up all the way ?

Can you calculate it with both airgap 1m and with the magnet/iron closed up.
It would really be a big help.
Do you have a email or facebook I can contact you? It seems like you know you way around this stuff,and I have some psysics-questions i prefer not to ask in a open forum
 
Ankhen said:
Can you calculate it with both airgap 1m and with the magnet/iron closed up.
Say that the total area, A = 0.1m2, then

Fdens = m*g / A = 7370 N/m2

Edens = ½*B*H = 7370 [ J/m3 ] →

B*H = B2 / μ0 = 14730 [ J/m3 ] → B = 0.136 T.

Now, if s = 1m, try to calculate the H-field needed ( B = μ0 * H ). Then calculate the amount of ampere-windings needed using Amperes law:

circulationH⋅ds = N * I.

You should use a ∩-shaped magnet.
 
Hesch said:
Then calculate the amount of ampere-windings needed
PS: You will need about 216000 ampere-windings by a distance = 1m ( × 2 airgaps ).
 
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