Calculate mean path length of a magnetic circuit

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The discussion revolves around calculating the mean path length of a magnetic circuit, focusing on the dimensions and equivalent circuit of the setup. Participants explore the implications of different materials and geometries on the calculation of magnetomotive force (mmf) drops and the mean permeability in the circuit.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the formula F = HL to calculate mmf drops in specific sections of the magnetic circuit, questioning how to determine the length L.
  • Another participant proposes that the mean path length can be calculated by summing the lengths of the iron and air paths, with specific values for air permeability and iron permeability provided.
  • A participant questions whether the path length can be summed directly in the middle of the loop or lamination, referencing the behavior of magnetic flux in the core.
  • Further discussion indicates that while summing the path in the center leg is acceptable, the effective permeability of iron may vary based on the direction of the flux relative to the rolling direction of the iron plates, complicating precise calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to approach the calculation of mean path length and the implications of material properties, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a consensus on the best method.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about permeability, the dependence on the specific geometry of the circuit, and the unresolved nature of how to account for variations in permeability based on the direction of flux.

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Given this magnetic circuit:
Lam details.PNG

With these dimensions:
Dim.PNG

With this equivalent circuit:
Circuit act.PNG

If I am using F = HL to calculate the mmf drops in RcoreAB(see equivalent circuit) and RcoreBCDA(see equivalent circuit) then how would I calculate L in the formula ?
 
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You have two loops ( left/right ). For the left loop you will have the drawn path length:

Liron + Lair
Lair = 2s.

In air the permeability is μ0, and in iron the permeability is μ = μ0r.

The mean length is the length of the drawn path. So you could ask: What is the mean permeability in the loop ?
 
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So can I just sum the path directly in the middle of the loop or lamination ?, I heard that the center of the core is where the flux travels the most
 
TheRedDevil18 said:
So can I just sum the path directly in the middle of the loop or lamination ?
Yes, as the dashed lines in the figure indicates.

I think the flux will be spread almost equally in the cross section area of the core.

It cannot be calculated precisely anyway, because the practical μr for iron depends on the direction wherein the iron plates have been rolled: A flux direction parallel to the roll-direction results in the greatest μr. But then there is a problem with the corners of the core, where the flux must change direction, crossing the roll-direction.

PS: You mean the center leg? Yes of course: double up. But normally the center leg has the double cross section area as well ( compared to the left/right leg ).
 

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