Calculate the convolution between these functions

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The discussion revolves around calculating the convolution of two functions, specifically f(t) = e^{-t} H(t) and g(t) = e^{t} H(t), where H(t) is the Heaviside step function. Participants are exploring the implications of the Heaviside function in the convolution process.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the integration process involved in the convolution and question the transition from the product of Heaviside functions to a difference of Heaviside functions. There is also exploration of the behavior of the convolution for negative values of t and the implications of the Heaviside function in those cases.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the integration steps and the role of the Heaviside function in the convolution. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions regarding the intervals of integration and the effects of negative t values. Multiple interpretations of the convolution process are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the product of the Heaviside functions results in zero outside the interval [0, t], and there is a recognition that the convolution will also be zero for negative t values. The discussion includes considerations of how to handle these cases within the convolution framework.

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Hi there. I must calculate the convolution between these functions
[tex]f(t)= e^{-t} H(t)[/tex]
[tex]g(t)=e^t H(t)[/tex] H(t) the unit step Heaviside function.
So I have to find: [tex]f \star g[/tex]

This is what I did:
[tex]f \star g=\displaystyle\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}e^{-\lambda}e^{t-\lambda}H(\lambda)H(t-\lambda)d\lambda=\displaystyle\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}e^{t-2\lambda} \left [ H(\lambda)-H(\lambda-t) \right ] d\lambda=[/tex]
[tex]=\displaystyle\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}e^{t-2\lambda}H(\lambda)d\lambda-\displaystyle\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}e^{t-2\lambda} H(\lambda-t)d\lambda=\displaystyle\int_{0}^{\infty}e^{t-2\lambda}d\lambda-\displaystyle\int_{t}^{\infty}e^{t-2\lambda} d\lambda=\displaystyle\int_{0}^{t}e^{t-2\lambda} d\lambda=-2e^{-t}+2e^{t}[/tex]

Is this fine?
 
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Looks good to me.
 


Hi Telemachus! :smile:How did you get from:

[itex]H(\lambda)H(t-\lambda)[/itex]

to:

[itex][ H(\lambda)-H(\lambda-t)][/itex]That just doesn't seem right. :confused:
 


I think that the product [itex]H(\lambda )H(t-\lambda )[/itex] is zero if [itex]\lambda <0[/itex] and also 0 if [itex]t<\lambda[/itex], and so the integral would become:
[tex] \int_{0}^{t}e^{t-2\lambda}d\lambda[/tex]
Sorry, I made a mistake.
 
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Hi I like Serena. I've realized that [itex]H(\lambda)H(t-\lambda)[/itex] its equal to 0 for all lambda outside the interval [0,t], and then its easy to get the same result using a sum with the Heaviside function, I get the [itex]H(\lambda)[/itex] and subtracted all what I didn't want using another Heaviside function, but as hunt_mat said it can be reasoned on that other way, which is the same, using the definition for the function. Maybe that mid step was redundant.
 


Oh yes, I see now.
But what if t < 0?

And btw, I believe your last integration step is not quite right...
I get a different factor in the final answer. ;)
 


Oh, I haven't think about what happens for t<0. But I've seen that always appear an Heaviside factor for this kind of integrals, but I don't know why.

The answer you get is [tex](-2e^{-t}+2e^{t})H(t)[/tex]?

I see, I have another mistake, I've made as if I was differentiating :P
So the answer is: [tex](\frac{-e^{-t}+e^{t}}{2})H(t)[/tex]?

Explain me how it is to be reasoned to get the Heaviside function as a factor there.
 


Right! That took care of the integration step. :wink:

And yes, you'd get a Heaviside function in your answer as you surmised.

(Btw, ever hear of the sinh function? It matches rather nicely.)

As for negative t.
You considered the interval [0, t] and checked the Heaviside product for different values of lambda, which is good.
But if t < 0, you'll get the intervall [t, 0].
You should check that as well for different values of lambda.

If necessary you can try it for instance with t = -2 and lambda = -3, -1, +1 (that's what I did).
You'll see! :smile:


Edit: on a more intuitive note, your function f and g are zero for negative t.
This means that their convolution will be zero as well.
 
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Alright, for negative t I have
[tex]H(-t-\lambda)=1,\lambda\leq{-t}[/tex]
[tex]H(-t-\lambda)=0,\lambda\geq{-t}[/tex]
And by the other hand I have
[tex]H(\lambda)=1,\lambda\geq{0}[/tex]
[tex]H(\lambda)=0,\lambda<0[/tex]

So its zero for all negative t?

I've seen your edit note now, thank you very much Serena :)
 
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Yes.
 
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Thanks.
 
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Cheers! :smile:
 

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