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The discussion revolves around calculating the minimum thickness of a large polymer plate subjected to a central force, focusing on the relationship between Young's modulus, yield stress, and the bending moment. Participants explore the application of bending formulas and the implications of treating the plate as a beam.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the dimensions and properties of the polymer plate and seeks to calculate the safe thickness before fracture under a specified force.
  • Another participant suggests focusing on yield stress rather than Young's modulus for determining thickness, proposing to calculate the bending moment and adjust thickness accordingly.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about how to determine thickness using the bending formula, noting the distinction between a plate and a beam.
  • Further clarification is provided that the plate can be treated as a beam under certain loading conditions, with specific dimensions and loading details mentioned.
  • One participant attempts to calculate the moment using a formula but seeks confirmation on its correctness.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the maximum moment occurs at the center of the beam and encourages finding this value for further calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to calculate the bending moment and consider yield stress, but there is uncertainty regarding the application of bending formulas to a plate versus a beam. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact method for determining thickness.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for yield stress values specific to the polymer being used, indicating that the calculations depend on material properties that may not be fully defined in the discussion.

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Homework Statement



I have a large polymer plate of 45cm x 120cm, with Young Modulus 0.8 GPa and I want to calculate the safe thickness (before fracture) of that plate on a middle line force across the width of the plate with magnitude of 0.6 kN.

The middle line force distribution is shown here: http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/7450/49266917.jpg

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The Attempt at a Solution



I use flexural modulus formula but i just noticed that flexural modulus is not the same with young modulus.
 
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can anyone help please?
 
I don't do much work with polymers, but you should concern yourself more with the yield stress rather than the elastic modulus if you are looking for the thickness that provides a factor of safety against failure rather than against large deformations. So calculate the bending moment at the center of the plate, and adjust the thickness to calculate the section modulus bt^2/6 to provide an appropriate safety factor against yield stress ( you need to know the value of the yield stress in compression and tension for the particular polymer you are using.
 
I have the stress-strain curve and the load-extension curve for this material. I can get the yield stress for this material but I am not sure how the thickness will be determined using the bending formula. it is not a beam, it is a large plate with b,d and t. By using the moment formula, only b and t are used.

thank you for your help
 
engineer46 said:
I have the stress-strain curve and the load-extension curve for this material. I can get the yield stress for this material but I am not sure how the thickness will be determined using the bending formula. it is not a beam, it is a large plate with b,d and t. By using the moment formula, only b and t are used.

thank you for your help
yes, it is a plate, but it is simply supported at the ends and free at the edges, and subject to a line loading at its center, so you can treat it as a beam with a length of 120 cm and a cross sectional area of 45(t) cm^2, with a load of 0.6 kN applied as a concentrated load at its center.
 
i will try it and i will be back to you. thank you
 
am trying to calculate the moment:

So the force is in the middle:

M= (Force*distance)/length= [(0.6*10^3)*0.45]/(1.2).

Is that the moment?
 
engineer46 said:
am trying to calculate the moment:

So the force is in the middle:

M= (Force*distance)/length= [(0.6*10^3)*0.45]/(1.2).

Is that the moment?
Moment has units of force times length. For a simply supported beam with a load at the center, the moment varies from 0 at the supports to a maximum at the center (at L/2). Can you find the value of this max moment?
 

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