Calculate the time to reach the floor in seconds

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The discussion revolves around calculating the time it takes for an object to reach the floor, given its height and other physical parameters. The subject area includes concepts from mechanics, specifically energy conservation and kinematics.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between distance, time, and velocity, questioning the appropriateness of using average versus instantaneous velocity in the calculations. There is also discussion about the implications of significant figures in the final answer.

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The conversation includes attempts to clarify the correct application of formulas and the significance of precision in the results. Some participants acknowledge corrections made to initial calculations, while others express uncertainty about the validity of the final answer.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the definitions of distance and displacement, as well as the conditions under which certain equations apply. Participants are also considering the limitations imposed by the precision of the input data.

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In the figure, a mass of 35.8 kg is attached to a light string that is wrapped around a cylindrical spool of radius 0.25m and moment of inertia 7.14 kg · m2. The spool is suspended from the ceiling, and the mass is then released from rest a distance 6.01 m above the floor. How long does it take to reach the floor in seconds?
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KEi + PEi = KEf + PEf
v = d/t
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r = 0.25m
I = 7.14kgm^2
h = 6.01m

Ei = Ef
mgh = 1/2mv^2 + 1/2Iw^2
2mgh = mv^2 + I(v^2/r^2)
2(35.8)(9.81)(6.01) = 35.8v^2 + 114.24v^2
v = 5.304 m/s

v = d/t
5.304 = 6.01/t
t = 1.133

(The correct answer is 2.2673. What did I do wrong?)
 
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LokLe said:
v = d/t
That is the formula for average velocity, but you have calculated the final velocity.
 
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LokLe said:
v = d/t
This equation relates speed to distance and time only if v is the same throughout the interval t. This is not the case here because the speed of the mass changes continuously.
 
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kuruman said:
This equation relates speed to distance and time only if v is the same throughout the interval t. This is not the case here because the speed of the mass changes continuously.
I see. So the answer should be s = 1/2t(v+u)
6.01 = 1/2t(5.304)
t = 2.266s

Thank you for correcting my mistakes
 
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LokLe said:
t = 2.266s
That’s too many significant digits given the precision of the input data.
 
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Orodruin said:
That’s too many significant digits given the precision of the input data.
Do you mean that it is still incorrect?
 
kuruman said:
This equation relates speed to distance and time only if v is the same throughout the interval t.
Or if v means the average velocity.
 
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LokLe said:
Do you mean that it is still incorrect?
It is good practice not to use more significant digits than your input can justify. There is simply not enough precision in the input to claim you know the answer to a precision of a millisecond.

The methodology is correct.
 
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Orodruin said:
It is good practice not to use more significant digits than your input can justify. There is simply not enough precision in the input to claim you know the answer to a precision of a millisecond.

The methodology is correct.
Ok
 
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haruspex said:
Or if v means the average velocity.
Did you mean average speed? In this particular example it doesn't matter, but in general I think that the symbol "d" stands for distance, not displacement, as in the mantra "speed is distance over time."
 
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kuruman said:
Did you mean average speed? In this particular example it doesn't matter, but in general I think that the symbol "d" stands for distance, not displacement, as in the mantra "speed is distance over time."
If d is distance then average speed, if displacement then average velocity.
But my point is that the equation is not limited to constant speed/velocity. It always gives the average, but that can only be supposed to be the same as the instantaneous value if it is constant.
 

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