Calculate water pressure in tube end when tube is compressed

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of water pressure in a tube when subjected to the weight of a bed. Participants explore the feasibility of using a water-filled tube as a pressure sensor setup and the potential issues related to this design.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a setup involving a plastic tube filled with water to measure weight, seeking to calculate the pressure on a liquid pressure sensor at one end of the tube.
  • Another participant suggests abandoning the tube idea in favor of using pistons, citing concerns about stability and uneven weight distribution affecting the design.
  • Some participants argue that water's low compressibility would prevent significant pressure changes in the tube, implying that the design could work under certain conditions.
  • Concerns are raised about the elasticity of the pipe material, potential aging, leaks, and thermal effects that could affect the reliability of the pressure measurement.
  • A later reply emphasizes the need for more robust sensors and suggests that the original sensors may have failed due to lateral movements rather than sustained pressure.
  • Participants are encouraged to test the design without a sensor to observe its behavior under load, indicating a hands-on approach to understanding the system's dynamics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the viability of using a water-filled tube for pressure measurement, with some supporting the idea and others highlighting significant drawbacks. No consensus is reached regarding the best approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include uncertainties about the material properties of the tube, the effects of weight distribution, and the long-term reliability of the proposed sensor setup.

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Hello!

Background
I have a hobby in creating an automated home, controlling lights, reading temperatures, and so on from self build sensors and actuators. For a while I have had force sensing resistors under each leg of my bed so I can messaure my own weight every day, sleeping patterns and so on. This has been working quite good for a while, but the sensors does not stand the constant pressure and fails. I need a new solution.

Setup
Instead of a sensor under each leg, the bed will fully stand on a plastic tube filled with water. The tube will have a liquid pressure sensor in one end and a stop in the other end.

Problem
I need to know the pressure on the sensor so I can buy a suitable sensor for that working range.

Data
  • The tube will have a diameter of about 10mm.
  • The length of the tube will be around 10m to go around and under all legs of the bed.
  • The pressure in total will be around (60+70+30) = 1600N.
  • The bed stands only on the tube and the tube will be filled with water.

Question
In Bar, what will be the pressure applied on the sensor?
 
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Forget the idea!
You would have equip all the legs not with tubes (which get flattened under pressure), but rather with pistons with well knows area. Other problem is that such suspension for your bed is not stable - if the weight is not distributed centrally, some legs would totally collapse, while other stay lifted.
Better think about more robust tensometers.
 
If the tube is filled with water I think that this will not happen because water have a very low compressibility, right?
 
Water has low compressibility, but the pipe must be ellastic (not quite predictably for plastic/rubber pipes), it suffers from ageing, water loss due to leaks and vapourisation, then you have thermal effects, and lots of others absolutely unpredictable.

Believe me - that is the worst possible tensometer you could design ;)

You can't beat the commercially available ones - just find a more robust one or think about proper shielding. I guess your tensometer got damaged not because of long term pressure (they are designed to withstand it), but because of lateral moves of bed legs, scratching it. Just think about shielding envelope made of hardened steel.

Just try your design to see its flaws - install such a tube without any pressure sensor and watch how it behaves as someone sits on your bed. Or as she rolls from one side to side.
 
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