Calculating Angular Momentum of a Rotating Rod | Mass M, Angular Velocity ш

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on calculating the angular momentum of a rod rotating about one end, specifically in relation to its center of mass. Participants explore the fundamental principles of angular momentum, including integration methods and reference frames.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for the angular momentum of a rod rotating about one end, specifically regarding its center of mass.
  • Another participant questions whether the rod is rotating about one end or its center of mass, indicating a need for clarification.
  • Some participants suggest calculating the angular momentum by considering individual points along the rod and integrating their contributions.
  • There is mention of using a general formula for angular momentum about any point, which involves the angular momentum of a fictitious particle at the center of mass.
  • One participant provides a specific formula for angular momentum as (1/3)wmL^2 for angular speed w, but notes it pertains to rotation about one end, not the center of mass.
  • Another participant proposes that the angular momentum about the center of mass can be derived from the angular momentum calculated with respect to the end of the rod.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of demonstrating effort and showing work rather than simply providing answers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to approach the calculation of angular momentum, with no consensus reached on a definitive method or formula. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to calculate angular momentum about the center of mass versus the end of the rod.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various resources for further information, indicating that the discussion may involve assumptions about the definitions and conditions of angular momentum calculations. There are also unresolved mathematical steps in deriving the final expressions.

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What is the angular momentum of a rod rotating about one end (mass M and angular velocity ш),about its center of mass?
 
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kuyt said:
What is the angular momentum of a rod rotating about one end (mass M and angular velocity ш),about its center of mass?
Is the rod rotating about one end or its center of mass?
 
about one end
 
But this is something fundamental,calculating angular momentum of a system about arbitary points in space.:confused:
 
In the second link the 'bubbles' are hot links.
Navigate through "Mechanics", then "Rotation", then "Moment of Inertia".
Click on "Common Forms" for Enlightenment!
 
Find the angular momentum of a differential length (dm*v*r) and integrate from r=0 to L.
 
kuyt said:
But this is something fundamental,calculating angular momentum of a system about arbitary points in space.:confused:
Yes, it is, and you can answer it by calculating the angular momentum of individual point about the end of the rod, then integrating them along the length of the rod. The result of doing that would be the formula at http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/MomentofInertiaRod.html
that you could get to following the links you were given in tadchem's response.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Yes, it is, and you can answer it by calculating the angular momentum of individual point about the end of the rod, then integrating them along the length of the rod. The result of doing that would be the formula at http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/MomentofInertiaRod.html
that you could get to following the links you were given in tadchem's response.

it gives moment of inertia not angular momentum! Can we use the general formula(if its correct):angular moment abt any point=angular moment of a fictitious particle (of mass m at the position of COM)abt that point + angular moment of the body abt com ?
 
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hello kuyt, i think you should have a look at the angular momentum equation ie., L= r X P and v=rw. So, use r=l/2 where l=length of rod. hope that makes sense..
 
  • #11
No,it not that easy I guess.
P.S can anyone giveme the final answer(in terms of angular velocity,mass and length)and ofcourse the explanation,instead of links
 
  • #12
It's (1/3)wmL^2 for angular speed w.
 
  • #13
^but that about one of the ends ,not com
 
  • #14
Ah, so you're trying to find the angular momentum about the com, in a system where the rod is rotating about one end.
 
  • #15
yes :approve:
 
  • #16
hmm. Tricky one. Well, I'm pretty sure that the whole point of saying the angular momentum "about a point" is equivalent to calculating the angular momentum, given that the origin is the point about which we want to find the angular momentum.

So I think the angular momentum about the COM is simply angular momentum, given that our origin is the COM. And in our original reference frame, the rod was rotating around the end. So in a reference frame where the COM stays at the origin, the angular momentum will simply be
[tex]\omega \frac{mL^2}{12}[/tex]
(in other words, same as what the angular momentum would be for a system where the rod is rotating around it's COM.)
 
  • #17
The links provide helpful information.

Students are expected to demonstrate effort and show their work. We do not spoon feed students with answers.
 

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