Calculating Copper Density: Is My Bar Pure?

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The discussion centers on the density measurement of a copper bar claimed to be .999 fine. Participants explore the accuracy of the density calculation, the methods used for volume measurement, and the implications of the results regarding the purity of the copper bar.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculated the density of their copper bar as 9.745 g/cc, which is higher than the known density of copper (8.96 g/cc), raising concerns about the bar's purity.
  • Another participant questioned the precision of the volume measurement and suggested measuring the apparent weight of the bar when submerged in water for more accurate results.
  • Concerns were raised about potential errors in the volume calculation, with one participant suggesting that a slight increase in measured volume could align the density closer to the expected value.
  • Another participant emphasized the importance of significant figures in reporting density and highlighted the challenges in accurately measuring the volume of irregular objects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that measurement errors may account for the discrepancy in density, but there is no consensus on the exact nature or extent of these errors. Multiple competing views on measurement techniques and their implications for density remain unresolved.

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Limitations include potential inaccuracies in volume measurement due to instrument resolution and the shape of the copper bar, which may not be a perfect rectangular solid.

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I recently bought a 1-pound .999 fine copper bar. I was curious to know how closely the density of my bar was with the actual density of copper (about 8.96 g/cc). My bar measured 1 pound .5 oz (467.76 g). I calculated the volume two ways, water displacement and measurement; the volume is 48cc. Therefore the density is calculated as 9.745 g/cc (467.76/48). Why is my bar denser than the actual density of copper. It makes me think the bar isn't pure, but is mixed with another denser metal. Any thoughts?
 
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8% deviation.
How precisely did you measure the volume?

Can you measure the apparent weight of the copper bar when submerged in water and held up by a rope?
 
There probably is significant error in volume calculation. If the volume was 52 mL instead of 48 mL, the density would be very close to the actual density. On second thought, my volume displacement measurement was probably less than the least measurable quantity on the graduated cylinder I used.
 
Oooh. Fun.

First of all, please note that you can only claim that your density is ## 9.7 \frac{g}{c^3} ## on account that your volume only has two significant figures.
I'd have to agree that it's like an error in volumetric evaluation. It's pretty difficult to measure the volume of physical objects. Is the bar a perfect rectangular solid, and what was the resolution of instrument to measure length? Using fluid displacement would be the way to go, but even then do you have a flask that can measure extremely fine gradations in the change of volume? Putting it in a standard measuring cup and estimating would easily create a deviation. Describe how you arrived at your volumetric measure.
 

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