Calculating Current and Voltage in a Simple Circuit

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The discussion revolves around calculating the voltage and current in a simple electrical circuit using Kirchhoff's laws and Ohm's law. Participants explore the relationships between voltage, current, and resistance, as well as the implications of a short circuit in the circuit configuration.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the current i0 can be calculated as 12/4, resulting in 3 amps, and question if i0 equals i1 plus i2.
  • There is a discussion about whether it is necessary to combine resistors to solve the problem, with some suggesting that i1 may be zero due to a lack of current usage in that branch.
  • One participant identifies a dead short across R2 and R3, prompting questions about the equivalent resistance of the circuit and how it affects the overall current flow.
  • Participants debate the implications of the short circuit on the combined resistance of R2 and R3, with some expressing uncertainty about whether the combined resistance is effectively zero or 9 ohms.
  • There are multiple approaches to calculating the equivalent resistance, with suggestions to avoid undefined terms in the calculations.
  • Some participants conclude that all current flows through the short circuit, leading to the assertion that V1 is 12 volts and i1 is 3 amps, while i2 is zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While some participants agree on the values of V1 and i1, there remains uncertainty regarding the implications of the short circuit on the current through R2 and R3, and whether i2 is indeed zero. The discussion reflects multiple viewpoints on the calculations and assumptions involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and implications of short circuits, as well as the treatment of resistances in parallel and series configurations. There are unresolved questions about the calculations involving equivalent resistance and the resulting current flow.

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Homework Statement



Calculate V1, i1, V2, and i2 in http://images3a.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp733%3B4%3Enu%3D52%3A%3A%3E379%3E256%3EWSNRCG%3D3357955356347nu0mrj"

Homework Equations



Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) - The algebraic sum of voltages on a closed loop are equal to zero.
Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL) - The algebraic sum of currents entering a node (or closed boundary) is zero.

Ohm's Law - V = IR, where V is voltage, I is current and R is resistance.

Various other things like how to add resistors in parallel and series to make a circuit simpler to understand. e.g. R1 and R2 in series are equal to

[tex]R_{eq}= R_{1}+R_{2}[/tex]

in parallel on the other hand

[tex]\frac {1}{R_{eq}}=\frac {1}{R_{1}}+\frac{1}{R_{2}}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



So this is our first homework assignment and I am just looking for some guidance here. In the figure I linked to I labeled i0 so that I could easily reference it. This should be equal to 12/4 which is 3 amps correct? and

[tex]i_{0}=i_{1}+i_{2}[/tex]

yes? That would also make V1 3*4=12 yes?

Is it necessary to combine any of the resistors to finish the problem? Also because there is no element where i1 is, would this mean there is no current usage and i1 is zero?

Thanks for any help in advance
 
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Asphyxiated said:

Homework Statement



Calculate V1, i1, V2, and i2 in http://images3a.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp733%3B4%3Enu%3D52%3A%3A%3E379%3E256%3EWSNRCG%3D3357955356347nu0mrj"

Homework Equations



Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) - The algebraic sum of voltages on a closed loop are equal to zero.
Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL) - The algebraic sum of currents entering a node (or closed boundary) is zero.

Ohm's Law - V = IR, where V is voltage, I is current and R is resistance.

Various other things like how to add resistors in parallel and series to make a circuit simpler to understand. e.g. R1 and R2 in series are equal to

[tex]R_{eq}= R_{1}+R_{2}[/tex]

in parallel on the other hand

[tex]\frac {1}{R_{eq}}=\frac {1}{R_{1}}+\frac{1}{R_{2}}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



So this is our first homework assignment and I am just looking for some guidance here. In the figure I linked to I labeled i0 so that I could easily reference it. This should be equal to 12/4 which is 3 amps correct? and

[tex]i_{0}=i_{1}+i_{2}[/tex]

yes? That would also make V1 3*4=12 yes?

Is it necessary to combine any of the resistors to finish the problem? Also because there is no element where i1 is, would this mean there is no current usage and i1 is zero?

Thanks for any help in advance

There is a dead short across R2+R3. So what is the parallel combination of the dead short and R2+R3? So what does that leave you in the circuit?
 
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Well R2 and R3 are in series, i assume, no polarity sign was given for R2 so they should combine together to get 9 ohms and the definition of short circuit is a wire/connector with near perfect conductance or a resistivity near 0, right? So if the 9 ohm resistor are in parallel and you combine them 1/Req = 1/0+1/9.

I am not sure if the combined resistance does not exist or is it 9 ohms? (the reciprocal of 1/9, which would be the answer to 1/Req if you just leave out the undefined term/count as zero). Which will leave you with a 4 ohm resistor and 9 ohm resistor in series, am I going the right way?
 
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Well R2 and R3 are in series, i assume, no polarity sign was given for R2 so they should combine together to get 9 ohms and the definition of short circuit is a wire/connector with near perfect conductance or a resistivity near 0, right? So if the 9 ohm resistor are in parallel and you combine them 1/Req = 1/0+1/9.

I am not sure if the combined resistance does not exist or is it 9 ohms? (the reciprocal of 1/9, which would be the answer to 1/Req if you just leave out the undefined term/count as zero). Which will leave you with a 4 ohm resistor and 9 ohm resistor in series, am I going the right way?

It's better to avoid the 1/0 issue by re-writing the parallel combination equation:

[tex]R = \frac{1}{\frac{1}{R_1} + \frac{1}{R_2}}[/tex]

And simplify the right hand side to get the fractions out of the denominator. What equation do you get for the equivalent parallel resistance then? And see how there are no 1/0 terms now when you substitute in your values...
 
Well i simplified it to:

[tex]R_{eq}=\frac {R_{1}*R_{2}}{R_{2}+R_{1}}[/tex]

so plugging the numbers i get 0/9 so the combined resistivity is 0 and basically the only thing that matters is V1?

said another way, since there is a short circuit before R2 and R3 there will be no current flowing through them, right?
 
Asphyxiated said:
Well i simplified it to:

[tex]R_{eq}=\frac {R_{1}*R_{2}}{R_{2}+R_{1}}[/tex]

so plugging the numbers i get 0/9 so the combined resistivity is 0 and basically the only thing that matters is V1?

said another way, since there is a short circuit before R2 and R3 there will be no current flowing through them, right?

Correct. All the current flows through the short circuit. Good!
 
Ok so just to make sure then V1 is going to be 12v i1 is 3 amps and since there is no current through V2, it must be zero if i2 is 0, V=IR. Yeah?
 
Asphyxiated said:
Ok so just to make sure then V1 is going to be 12v i1 is 3 amps and since there is no current through V2, it must be zero if i2 is 0, V=IR. Yeah?

Correct-a-mundo. :smile:
 
thanks so much, i am flying through the rest, hope i don't jinx myself by saying this though!
 

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