Calculating Elevation Angle to Hit Target at 100 m and 10 m

  • Context: MHB 
  • Thread starter Thread starter Monoxdifly
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Angle
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the elevation angle required for a shooter to hit a target located 100 m away and 10 m high, given an initial velocity of 60 m/s and gravitational acceleration of 10 m/s². Participants explore various approaches to derive the angle using projectile motion equations and mathematical identities.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant sets up the equations for projectile motion, expressing the horizontal and vertical components and attempting to eliminate the time variable to derive a formula for the elevation angle.
  • Another participant suggests using a quadratic equation derived from the motion equations, indicating that there should be two valid solutions for the angle.
  • A later reply references a linear combination identity related to sine and cosine, suggesting it can be used to derive additional solutions for the angle.
  • Some participants express confusion about specific mathematical identities and their derivations, seeking clarification on the linear combination identity used in the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there are two solutions for the elevation angle, but the discussion includes multiple approaches and interpretations of the equations, indicating that no consensus has been reached on the best method or final values.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the derivation steps involve assumptions about the projectile motion equations and the use of trigonometric identities, which may not be universally understood or agreed upon.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in projectile motion, mathematical modeling in physics, or those seeking to understand the application of trigonometric identities in solving motion problems.

Monoxdifly
MHB
Messages
288
Reaction score
0
A target is located at the distance 100 m and height 10 m. How much is the elevation angle of the shooter to be able to hit the target if the initial velocity is 60 m/s and g = $$10m/s^2$$?

What I have done:
100 = 60sin$$\alpha$$t and 10 = 60sin$$\alpha$$t - $$\frac{1}{2}(10)t^2$$
$$t=\frac{5cos\alpha}{3}$$ and $$10=t(60sin\alpha)-t)$$
Dunno what to do from here on.
 
Mathematics news on Phys.org
Let's let $\theta$ be the angle of elevation. Let's orient our coordinate axes such that the vertical axis $y$ points up in the positive direction, and the horizontal axis $x$ points in the direction of motion in the positive direction.

For the vertical component of motion, we have:

$$a_y=-g$$

$$v_y=-gt+v_0\sin(\theta)$$

$$y=-\frac{g}{2}t^2+v_0\sin(\theta)t$$

For the horizontal component of motion, we have:

$$a_x=0$$

$$v_x=v_0\cos(\theta)$$

$$x=v_0\cos(\theta)t$$

Let's eliminate the parameter $t$, by using $$t=\frac{x}{v_0\cos(\theta)}$$:

And so:

$$y=-\frac{g}{2}\left(\frac{x}{v_0\cos(\theta)}\right)^2+v_0\sin(\theta)\left(\frac{x}{v_0\cos(\theta)}\right)=-\frac{g}{2v_0^2\cos^2(\theta)}x^2+\tan(\theta)x$$

Multiply through by $\cos^2(\theta)$:

$$y\cos^2(\theta)=-\frac{g}{2v_0^2}x^2+\sin(\theta)\cos(\theta)x$$

Using double-angle identities, and multiplying through by 2, we may write:

$$y\left(\cos(2\theta)+1\right)=-\frac{g}{v_0^2}x^2+\sin(2\theta)x$$

Arrange as:

$$y+\frac{g}{v_0^2}x^2=\sin(2\theta)x-\cos(2\theta)y$$

Using a linear combination identity, we have:

$$\sqrt{x^2+y^2}\sin\left(2\theta-\arctan\left(\frac{y}{x}\right)\right)=y+\frac{g}{v_0^2}x^2$$

Solving for $\theta$, there results:

$$\theta=\frac{1}{2}\left(\arcsin\left(\frac{v_0^2y+gx^2}{v_0^2\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}\right)+\arctan\left(\frac{y}{x}\right)\right)$$

Now, all that's left is to plug in the given values. :)
 
Monoxdifly said:
A target is located at the distance 100 m and height 10 m. How much is the elevation angle of the shooter to be able to hit the target if the initial velocity is 60 m/s and g = $$10m/s^2$$?

$\Delta x = v_0\cos{\theta_0} \cdot t \implies t = \dfrac{\Delta x}{v_0\cos{\theta_0}} = \dfrac{100}{60\cos{\theta}}$

$\Delta y = v_0\sin{\theta_0} \cdot t - \dfrac{1}{2}gt^2 \implies 10 = 60\sin{\theta} \cdot \dfrac{5}{3\cos{\theta}} - 5\left(\dfrac{5}{3\cos{\theta}}\right)^2 \implies 10 = 100\tan{\theta} - \dfrac{125}{9} \sec^2{\theta}$

using the identity $\sec^2{\theta} = 1 + \tan^2{\theta}$ yields a quadratic equation in $\tan{\theta}$ ...

$0 = -43 + 180\tan{\theta} - 25\tan^2{\theta}$

the quadratic formula yields two valid solutions for $\tan{\theta}$ ...

$\tan{\theta} = \dfrac{18 \pm \sqrt{281}}{5}$
 
Yes, there should be two solutions, and in my post above, I should have included:

$$\sqrt{x^2+y^2}\sin\left(\pi-\left(2\theta-\arctan\left(\frac{y}{x}\right)\right)\right)=y+\frac{g}{v_0^2}x^2$$

As a means of getting the other. :)
 
MarkFL said:
Let's let $\theta$ be the angle of elevation. Let's orient our coordinate axes such that the vertical axis $y$ points up in the positive direction, and the horizontal axis $x$ points in the direction of motion in the positive direction.

For the vertical component of motion, we have:

$$a_y=-g$$

$$v_y=-gt+v_0\sin(\theta)$$

$$y=-\frac{g}{2}t^2+v_0\sin(\theta)t$$

For the horizontal component of motion, we have:

$$a_x=0$$

$$v_x=v_0\cos(\theta)$$

$$x=v_0\cos(\theta)t$$

Let's eliminate the parameter $t$, by using $$t=\frac{x}{v_0\cos(\theta)}$$:

And so:

$$y=-\frac{g}{2}\left(\frac{x}{v_0\cos(\theta)}\right)^2+v_0\sin(\theta)\left(\frac{x}{v_0\cos(\theta)}\right)=-\frac{g}{2v_0^2\cos^2(\theta)}x^2+\tan(\theta)x$$

Multiply through by $\cos^2(\theta)$:

$$y\cos^2(\theta)=-\frac{g}{2v_0^2}x^2+\sin(\theta)\cos(\theta)x$$

Using double-angle identities, and multiplying through by 2, we may write:

$$y\left(\cos(2\theta)+1\right)=-\frac{g}{v_0^2}x^2+\sin(2\theta)x$$

Arrange as:

$$y+\frac{g}{v_0^2}x^2=\sin(2\theta)x-\cos(2\theta)y$$

Using a linear combination identity, we have:

$$\sqrt{x^2+y^2}\sin\left(2\theta-\arctan\left(\frac{y}{x}\right)\right)=y+\frac{g}{v_0^2}x^2$$

Solving for $\theta$, there results:

$$\theta=\frac{1}{2}\left(\arcsin\left(\frac{v_0^2y+gx^2}{v_0^2\sqrt{x^2+y^2}}\right)+\arctan\left(\frac{y}{x}\right)\right)$$

Now, all that's left is to plug in the given values. :)

Thank you! All comprehensible except the linear combination identity part. What's that and how was it derived?
 
Monoxdifly said:
Thank you! All comprehensible except the linear combination identity part. What's that and how was it derived?

Here's a link that describes the derivation of the identity:

Linear Combination of Sine and Cosine
 

Similar threads

Replies
6
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 63 ·
3
Replies
63
Views
5K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
3K
Replies
4
Views
2K