Calculating force for animal bites/scratches

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the force associated with animal bites and scratches, specifically focusing on cats and their scratching behavior. Participants explore the relationship between pressure, area, and force in the context of penetrating human skin.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the force or pressure created by a cat when it scratches, seeking to understand how this compares to the pressure required to penetrate human skin.
  • Another participant clarifies that the measurement of pounds per square inch (psi) does not require a literal square inch of skin for calculations.
  • A participant proposes that if the pressure resistance for human skin is 400 psi, this could be converted to psi per square millimeter for smaller measurements, suggesting a value of 0.6 psi per square mm.
  • One participant notes that using pressure to estimate force will provide a lower boundary for the force, recommending the use of N/m² instead of imperial units for easier calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying approaches to calculating force and pressure, with no consensus on the best method or the accuracy of the assumptions made regarding the measurements.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about the relationship between pressure and area, as well as the specific measurements of a cat's claw, which remain unresolved.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying animal behavior, biomechanics, or anyone curious about the physical properties of animal interactions with humans.

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Heya, I am wondering how would one calculate or find the force associated with animals such as tigers, dogs, lions etc.

At the moment, i am interested in finding how much force or pressure is created by a cat when it scratches. Any help would be appreciated, thank you.

As a side note, this is mainly to find out how much, comparatively it takes to cut human skin, rough figuires online point me to about 400 pounds per square inch of pressure required to penetrate human skin but does that literally mean per square inch of skin or is that just a measurement? Do I find the area of a cats claw (somehow, not sure how I would do this, its very small) and then divide the 400 psi down to pounds per square millimeter or whatever the cats claw size is?

Thank you again for any aid.
 
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The pounds per square inch doesn't mean you actually need to take a square inch of skin, just like you don't need to wait an hour for your car speedometer to give you a new reading.
 
So when taking smaller measurements, let's say a square millimeter I divide the number for square inch, e.g. 400 for human skin pressure resistance and reduce it by said number, so humans would in my example have only 0.6 psi per square mm?

Then from there, find the force of a cat scratch, probably the hardest bit, probably easier finding a bite or something but ime interested in the scratch because I am interested in the small amount of damage one can produce, wheras bites can become more severe.
 
Using pressure to estimate the force will give you a lower boundary on what he force could be...

recommend working in N/m^2 btw rather than imperial units. Saves fiddly conversions.
 

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