Calculating Fpush for Kinetic Friction | Coefficient of Friction Explained

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The discussion revolves around calculating the force required to push a block on a surface with kinetic friction. The original poster seeks to determine the magnitude of the push (Fpush) necessary to accelerate the block at 5.71 m/s², given the coefficients of kinetic and static friction.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the need for the block's mass to calculate Fpush and question the completeness of the problem statement. There is uncertainty regarding the relevance of previously calculated frictional forces and whether the problem is a continuation of a larger question.

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Some participants have identified missing information, specifically the block's mass, which has since been provided as 5 kg. There is ongoing exploration of the relationship between the applied force, frictional force, and net force required for the desired acceleration.

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Participants note that the problem may be part of a larger context, and there is confusion regarding the wording of the problem. The overall force exerted by the table on the block is also under discussion, with participants clarifying the nature of these forces.

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A sufficiently large push is given to start the block moving. After that, what magnitude Fpush must be applied to make the block accelerate to the right at 5.71 m/s2

From a previous problem we concluded that coefficient of kinetic friction is .34 and static is .43

I do not understand how to determine the blocks mass to be able to determine the Fpush needed. any tips
 
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Paulbird20 said:
I do not understand how to determine the blocks mass to be able to determine the Fpush needed. any tips

Neither do I.

Was this the exact statement of the problem? If not, can you please use the proper template for posting homework questions so that we are sure all of the pertinent information has been posted?
 
Mag of frictional force from the previous question was determined to be 7.4. and then the coefficients were determined. that's all the information i was given to be able to answer the question of

A sufficiently large push is given to start the block moving. After that, what magnitude Fpush must be applied to make the block accelerate to the right at 5.71 m/s2

But i think the 7.4 is from a different question and is not related to this one or maybe it is?
 
The fact that it says "the" block and not "a" block, suggests that it is referring to a specific block that has already been mentioned or that you already know about. Is this the next SUB-part of a one long question? If so, can you just post the whole question? Can you post it word for word, please?

If it is not a sub-part of a larger problem, then I find it very bizarre that a *stand-alone* problem would be worded in this way. What you have posted here is not enough info to determine Fpush.
 
you were right i did not see the information listed above the block, only thing missing is the blocks mass which is 5KG
 
and it also wants to know the direction of the overall force of the table onto the block.

The block is at rest on a table.
 
Soooo...can you now answer the problem?
 
-fk = ma correct?

so 5.71x5 kg = 28.55 is the force required to accelerate it at 5.71
 
and the table overall force is up (perpendicular to the table correct)?
 
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Paulbird20 said:
-fk = ma correct?

Not really. The expression ma gives the NET force, which is the sum of two opposing forces, the applied force (which you are trying to calculate) and the frictional force (which you know).

Paulbird20 said:
so 5.71x5 kg = 28.55 is the force required to accelerate it at 5.71

You know that 28.55 N can't be the applied force, because if you subtract the frictional force from it to get the net force, and then divide this by 5kg, you don't get an acceleration of 5.71.
 
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Paulbird20 said:
and the table overall force is up (perpendicular to the table correct)?

No, the table exerts two forces on the block. The overall force will be the sum of these.
 

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