Calculating gas pressure at a changing system

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The discussion revolves around calculating the gas pressure in a sealed production system where gases are generated from polyurethane foam production. The system starts at atmospheric pressure and involves the introduction of CO2 and CH2Cl2 at specific rates and temperatures. Participants seek to understand how to determine the final pressure before a condenser, considering the dynamics of gas flow and pressure changes over time.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the initial conditions of the system, including the introduction of gases and their properties, and expresses a lack of understanding of gas mechanics.
  • Another participant requests a clear statement of the problem, indicating a need for precise definitions to facilitate calculations.
  • A participant clarifies that the goal is to calculate parameters necessary for selecting a condenser to reclaim CH2Cl2, emphasizing the sealed nature of the production line.
  • One participant mentions attempts to calculate the temperature and the rate at which CH2Cl2 replaces air in the system.
  • Another participant provides calculations regarding the moles of air and CO2/CH2Cl2 in the system but expresses uncertainty about the accuracy of these calculations.
  • A participant discusses an assumption regarding energy balance in the system, questioning its validity and seeking guidance on how to proceed.
  • One participant highlights the need to understand the maximum pressure that can develop inside the system, noting the interplay between gas generation and gas exiting through the condenser.
  • Several participants suggest that understanding the pressure-drop/flow-rate relationship for the condenser is crucial for accurate calculations.
  • There is a request for clarification regarding a diagram, specifically about components that may affect the system's pressure dynamics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express uncertainty and seek clarification on various aspects of the problem, indicating that multiple competing views and approaches remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various calculations and assumptions, but there are indications of missing assumptions and unresolved mathematical steps that could affect the overall understanding of the system's behavior.

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Hello, I'm having a problem calculating the final pressure before condenser. I'm calculating the pressure that builds up in a system that at the beginning has atmospheric pressure @ T=20C and is introduced with 1 mole/second of CO2(44.01g/mol) @ T=60C and 0.318 mole/second of CH2Cl2(84,93 g/mol) @ T=60C. The volume of the system is 80 m3. There is an outlet after the condenser. The amount of gases that enters the system must exit trough the condenser. So I think there should be a constant pressure at some point. The process goes for 360 minutes. I have very little understanding of gas mechanics, I would be grateful for ant help.
 
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Is there an exact statement of this problem? If so, please provide it?
 
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Chestermiller said:
Is there an exact statement of this problem? If so, please provide it?
There is no exact statement but my goal is to calculate all the parameters needed to choose a condenser that can reclaim most of the CH2Cl2.
Thank you for your time.
 
This problem is about gas exiting polyurethane foam during its production. The production line is sealed so all the gases are trapped inside.
Every second foam releases:
1 mole of CO2(44.01g/mol) @ T=60C
0.318 mole of CH2Cl2(84,93 g/mol) @ T=60C
The final goal is to calculate the required condenser to reclaim CH2Cl2.
the volume of the production line is 80m3
I will add diagram and some calculations that i tried soon
 
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I tried to calculate the temperature and how fast does CH2Cl2 replace air in the system.
 

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3320 is moles of air inside the system, 79.08 is moles of CO2/CH2Cl2
every line is +1 min but i think all of these calculations are wrong.
 
First i calculated moles of air inside the system, then i tried to calculate under the assumption that if the system gains n*T of energy it should lose the same amount. But i think this is wrong assumption. Then I calculated the amount of n(air)* T1 and n(CO2/CH2Cl2)*T2 and how fast does CO2/CH2Cl2 replace air.
I don't really know where to begin. I will be thankful for any help. :)
 
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The main thing I need is to understand how to calculate the maximum pressure that can develop inside the system. As I understand the gases that exit the foam increase the pressure, but at the same time some gases exit the system trough condenser decreasing the pressure.
 
To do this, you need to know the pressure-drop / flow-rate relationship for the condenser. You may have to measure that.

What is that brown thing in the figure? What is that rectangular box between the big box on the bottom and the condenser?
 
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Chestermiller said:
To do this, you need to know the pressure-drop / flow-rate relationship for the condenser. You may have to measure that.

What is that brown thing in the figure? What is that rectangular box between the big box on the bottom and the condenser?
It's foam pattern or rise. Thank you i will look into pressure-drop / flow-rate relationship for the condenser.
 

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