Calculating Heat for Temperature Changes in a Rigid Container | Thermodynamics

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The discussion focuses on calculating the heat required to change the temperature of hydrogen gas in a rigid container across various temperature ranges. The initial calculations used the formula for thermal energy change, but confusion arose regarding the differences in heat capacity at different temperatures. It was clarified that while the temperature change is consistent at 50 K, the heat capacity of hydrogen gas increases with temperature, affecting the heat calculations. Participants debated the appropriate use of specific heat capacity (Cv) versus molar heat capacity (Cp) and the conditions under which each should be applied. Ultimately, understanding the temperature dependence of heat capacity is crucial for accurate calculations in thermodynamics.
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Homework Statement


A rigid container holds 0.680 g of hydrogen gas. How much heat is needed to change the temperature of the gas
From 50 K to 100 K?
From 250 K to 300 K?
From 550 K to 600 K?
From 2250 K to 2300 K?

The Attempt at a Solution


I calculated the first one using delta E_th = (3/2)N*K_b*delta T
= (0.68g/2.0158g/mol)*6.02*10^23*1.38*10^-23*50K=210J

I don't understand why there should be a difference the questions, it seems to me all the temperature difference is 50K
 
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Shayna said:

Homework Statement


A rigid container holds 0.680 g of hydrogen gas. How much heat is needed to change the temperature of the gas
From 50 K to 100 K?
From 250 K to 300 K?
From 550 K to 600 K?
From 2250 K to 2300 K?

The Attempt at a Solution


I calculated the first one using delta E_th = (3/2)N*K_b*delta T
= (0.68g/2.0158g/mol)*6.02*10^23*1.38*10^-23*50K=210J

I don't understand why there should be a difference the questions, it seems to me all the temperature difference is 50K
If you use the ideal gas law, there is no difference to the answers. If you use the actual heat capacities of H2 gas, however, the heat capacity increases with temperature. See http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/hydrogen-d_976.html" for example. (Use: Q = mC_v\Delta T). If you are using the ideal gas law, you have to use a molar heat capacity for Cv = 5R/2 since H2 gas is diatomic.

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For example From 250 K to 300 K
I got the Cv from the form =14.55 therefore Cp=Cv+R=22.84
LaTeX Code: Q = mC_v\\Delta T =0.68*10^-3 kg * 22.84* 50K = 776.56 J
But that isn't right
 
Shayna said:
For example From 250 K to 300 K
I got the Cv from the form =14.55 therefore Cp=Cv+R=22.84
LaTeX Code: Q = mC_v\\Delta T =0.68*10^-3 kg * 22.84* 50K = 776.56 J
But that isn't right
Why are you using Cp? If Q = mC_v\\Delta T and Cv = 14.55, why are you using a heat capacity of 22.84? Is pressure constant in this process?

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