Calculating Heat Transfer in a Tube and Shell Exercise

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The discussion focuses on solving a heat transfer problem involving a tube and shell system, where the user seeks assistance with calculations. Key parameters include mass flow rate, specific heat, and thermal conductivity, leading to the determination of heat transfer coefficients and log mean temperature differences. The calculations reveal an overall heat transfer coefficient and the required length of the tubes, with adjustments made for multiple pipes in parallel. The user is encouraged to verify their calculations and consider the total flow rates and heat loads for accuracy. The final length of the tubes is calculated to be approximately 1.18 meters.
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Homework Statement


Would really appreciate if you could lend me a hand with this tube and shell exercise.[/B]
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m=0.24kg/s
##D=2.5*10-2m##
ρ=850 kg/m^3
cp=2000 J/kg*K
μ=2*10-4 kg/m*s
λ=0.3W/m*k

Homework Equations


Dittus-Boelter:Nu=0.023*Re0.8*Prn
where n=0.4 heating and n=0.3 for cooling, so in our case n=0.3
Log mean temp##ΔTlm=\frac {ΔT1-ΔT2} {ln(ΔT1/ΔT2)}##

The Attempt at a Solution


i)hi=?

Apply Dittus-Boelter eq Nu=0.023*Re0.8*Pr0.3
=>##\frac {h*D} {λ}##= ##0.023*(\frac {4*m} {\pi*D*μ})^{0.8}## ##* (\frac{cp*μ} {λ})^{0.3}##
We have all data from above
##h=λ*0.023*(\frac {4*0.24} {\pi*2.5*10^-2*10^-4})^{0.8}## ##* (\frac{2000*2*10^-4} {0.3})^{0.3}##
hi=50.72 W/m^2*K

ii)ΔTlm=?(log mean temp)
##ΔTlm=\frac {ΔT1-ΔT2} {ln(ΔT1/ΔT2)}##
Where ΔT1=left hand side temp diff, and ΔT2 is right hand side temp difference.
Oil is on hot side, water on cold side.
Oil:Tin=420K; Tout=320K
Water: tin=290K ,tout=?
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##tcout=tcin+\frac{Qhot} {mcold*cpcold}##
##Qhot=m*cp*ΔT=0.24*2000*(420-320)##
##Qhot=48000J##
=>##tcout=290K+\frac{48000} {0.24*4180}##
=>tcout=337.84K
=>ΔT1=320-290k
ΔT1=30K

ΔT2=420-337K
ΔT2=83K
=>##ΔTlm=\frac{30-83} {ln(30/83}##
=>ΔTlm=52K

iii)ho=4.5 KW/m^2*K
L=?
I think we need to apply again Dittus-Boelter but not sure about this?
Need more hints here
 
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You don't need to apply Dittus-Boelter again. You know that the the inside heat transfer coefficient is 50.72 and the outside heat transfer coefficient is 4500. What is the overall heat transfer coefficient U?
 
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Chestermiller said:
You don't need to apply Dittus-Boelter again. You know that the the inside heat transfer coefficient is 50.72 and the outside heat transfer coefficient is 4500. What is the overall heat transfer coefficient U?

Are i) and ii) correct?

U=##\frac{1} {1/hi+1/ho}##

U=##\frac{1} {1/50.72+1/4500}##

U=50.15

But how to get the length?
 
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Are i) and ii) correct?

U=##\frac{1} {1/hi+1/ho}##

U=##\frac{1} {1/50.72+1/4500}##

U=50.15

But how to get the length?
$$Q=UA(\Delta T)_{lm}$$
 
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Chestermiller said:
$$Q=UA(\Delta T)_{lm}$$
Right.

##A=\pi*D*L##
##L=\frac{A} {\pi*D}##
##A=\frac{Q} {U*ΔTlm}##
A=48000/(50.15*52.08)
A=18.37m2
##L=\frac{18.37} {\pi*2.5*10^{-2}}##

L=233.99m
L~234 meters
 
Go back and recheck your analysis. There are 5 pipes, not one. This would affect your answers in parts i and iii. The total rate of heat flow should be in W, not J.
 
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Chestermiller said:
Go back and recheck your analysis. There are 5 pipes, not one. This would affect your answers in parts i and iii. The total rate of heat flow should be in W, not J.

Q=48000 W
hi=5*50.72 => ##hin=253.6 W/m^2*K ##
hout=4500 W/m^2*K
##U=\frac{1} {1/hi+1/ho}##
##U=\frac{1} {1/253.6+1/4500}##

=>U=240.07
##A=\pi*D*L##
##L=\frac{A} {\pi*D}##
##A=\frac{Q} {U*ΔTlm}##
A=48000/(240.07*52.08)
A=3.83m2
##L=\frac{3.83} {\pi*2.5*10^{-2}}##

L=48.88 m
 
williamcarter said:
Q=48000 W
hi=5*50.72 => ##hin=253.6 W/m^2*K ##
hout=4500 W/m^2*K
##U=\frac{1} {1/hi+1/ho}##
##U=\frac{1} {1/253.6+1/4500}##

=>U=240.07
##A=\pi*D*L##
##L=\frac{A} {\pi*D}##
##A=\frac{Q} {U*ΔTlm}##
A=48000/(240.07*52.08)
A=3.83m2
##L=\frac{3.83} {\pi*2.5*10^{-2}}##

L=48.88 m
This is definitely not correct. You don't just multiply the inside heat transfer coefficient by 5. Please go back and redo part (i) correctly. What should m really be in part (i)?
 
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This is definitely not correct. You don't just multiply the inside heat transfer coefficient by 5. Please go back and redo part (i) correctly. What should m really be in part (i)?

Q=48000 W
m'=5*m
where m=0.24kg/s (mass flowrate for 1 pipe)
=>m'=1.2 kg/s mass flowrate
hout=4500 W/m^2*K

##hin=0.3*0.023*(\frac{4*1.2} {\pi*2.5*10^{-2}*10^{-4}})^{0.8}##*##(\frac{2000*2*10^{-4}} {0.3})^{0.3}##
=>##hin=320.07 W/m^2*K##

##U=\frac{1} {1/hi+1/ho}##
##U=\frac{1} {1/320.07+1/4500}##

=>U=298.81

##A=\pi*D*L##
##L=\frac{A} {\pi*D}##
##A=\frac{Q} {U*ΔTlm}##
A=48000/(298.81*52.08)
A=3.08m2
##L=\frac{3.08} {\pi*2.5*10^{-2}}##

L=39.27 m
 
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m'=m/5=0.048
 
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Chestermiller said:
m'=m/5=0.048
Thank you.
I assume that's because the pipes are in parallel and all identical
hence m'=m/5
 
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williamcarter said:
Thank you.
I assume that's because the pipes are in parallel and all identical
hence m'=m/5
Sure.
 
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Chestermiller said:
m'=m/5=0.048
so m'=0.048

=>##hin=0.3*0.023*(\frac {4*0.048} {\pi*2.5*10^{-2}*10^{-4}})^{0.8}## *##(\frac {2000*2*10^{-4}} {0.3})^{0.3}##
hin=24.38 W/m2*K
hout=4500 W/m2*K

U=1/(1/hi+1/ho)=>U=1/(1(24.38)+1/(4500))
U=24.23

for Area
williamcarter said:
A=##\frac{Q} {U*ΔTlm}##

##A=\frac{48000} {24.23*52.08}##

A=38.03 m2
##L=\frac{A} {\pi*D}##

##L=\frac{38.03} {\pi*2.5*10^{-2}}##

=>L=484.31 m

Is this correct?
 
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williamcarter said:
so m'=0.048

=>##hin=0.3*0.023*(\frac {4*0.048} {\pi*2.5*10^{-2}*10^{-4}})^{0.8}## *##(\frac {2000*2*10^{-4}} {0.3})^{0.3}##
hin=24.38 W/m2*K
hout=4500 W/m2*K

U=1/(1/hi+1/ho)=>U=1/(1(24.38)+1/(4500))
U=24.23

for Area##A=\frac{48000} {24.23*52.08}##

A=38.03 m2
##L=\frac{A} {\pi*D}##

##L=\frac{38.03} {\pi*2.5*10^{-2}}##

=>L=484.31 m

Is this correct?
No. The heat transfer area is ##5\pi DL##
 
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Chestermiller said:
No. The heat transfer area is ##5\pi DL##
Thank you for your answer
##A=\frac{48000} {24.23*52.08}##

A=38.03 m2

##A=5*\pi*D*L##

=>##L=\frac {A} {5*\pi*D}##

##L=\frac {38.03} {5*\pi*25*10^{-2}}##

L=96.86 m
 
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I get Re = 10186, Pr = 1.6, Nu = 42.6, and ##h_{in}=511##
 
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Chestermiller said:
I get Re = 10186, Pr = 1.6, Nu = 42.6, and ##h_{in}=511##

I did ##Re=\frac {4*m'} {\pi*D*μ}##

##Re=\frac {4*0.24/5} {\pi*2.5*10^{-2}*2*10^{-4}}##

this gave me Re=12223

for Prandlt I did
##Pr=\frac {cp*μ} {λ}##
##Pr=\frac {2000*2*10^{-4}} {0.3}##
this gave me Pr=1.3
 
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williamcarter said:
I did ##Re=\frac {4*m'} {\pi*D*μ}##

##Re=\frac {4*0.24/5} {\pi*2.5*10^{-2}*2*10^{-4}}##

this gave me Re=12223

for Prandlt I did
##Pr=\frac {cp*μ} {λ}##
##Pr=\frac {2000*2*10^{-4}} {0.3}##
this gave me Pr=1.3
OK. I mistakenly used ##\mu=2.4\times 10^{-4}##.
What about hin. It looks like you forgot to divide by the diameter. I get 560 now.
 
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Chestermiller said:
OK. I mistakenly used ##\mu=2.4\times 10^{-4}##.
What about hin. It looks like you forgot to divide by the diameter. I get 560 now.
Thank you, yes indeed hi=560. W/m2*K

for ii) I did like this
Qh=mhot*cphot*ΔT=0.24/5*2000*(420-320)
Qh=9600W
##Tcout=Tcin+\frac{Qh} {mcold*cpcold}##
##Tcout=290+\frac{9600} {0.24/5*4180}##
=>Tcout=337.84K

##ΔTlm=\frac{ΔT1-ΔT2} {ln(ΔT1/ΔT2)}##
##ΔTlm=\frac{30-83} {ln(30/83)}##
=>ΔTlm=52.08K

for iii)
ho=4500W/m2*K
hi=560 W/m2*K from i)

##U=\frac{1} {1/hi+1/ho}##
##U=\frac{1} {1/560+1/4500}##

U=497

##Q=U*A*ΔTlm##

=>##A=\frac {Q} {U*ΔTlm}##

##A=\frac {9600} {497*52.08}##

=>A=0.370m m2

but ##A=\pi*D*L##

so ##L=\frac {A} {\pi*D}##

##L=\frac {0.370} {\pi*10^{-1}}##

=>L=1.18mI would really appreciate it if you could tell me if what I did is correct.

Thank you very much in advance.
 
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williamcarter said:
Thank you, yes indeed hi=560. W/m2*K

for ii) I did like this
Qh=mhot*cphot*ΔT=0.24/5*2000*(420-320)
Qh=9600W
##Tcout=Tcin+\frac{Qh} {mcold*cpcold}##
##Tcout=290+\frac{9600} {0.24/5*4180}##
=>Tcout=337.84K

##ΔTlm=\frac{ΔT1-ΔT2} {ln(ΔT1/ΔT2)}##
##ΔTlm=\frac{30-83} {ln(30/83)}##
=>ΔTlm=52.08K

for iii)
ho=4500W/m2*K
hi=560 W/m2*K from i)

##U=\frac{1} {1/hi+1/ho}##
##U=\frac{1} {1/560+1/4500}##

U=497

##Q=U*A*ΔTlm##

=>##A=\frac {Q} {U*ΔTlm}##

##A=\frac {9600} {497*52.08}##

=>A=0.370m m2

but ##A=\pi*D*L##

so ##L=\frac {A} {\pi*D}##

##L=\frac {0.370} {\pi*10^{-1}}##

=>L=1.18mI would really appreciate it if you could tell me if what I did is correct.

Thank you very much in advance.
In part (ii), I would use the total flow rate for both streams. And, in part (iii), I would use that total heat load 9600 x 5 and the total area 5 pi D L. I know that answer comes out the same both ways, but that's how I would do it.
 
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