Calculating Impedance for a Source: Solution Attempt

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The discussion revolves around calculating the impedance as seen by a source in a circuit involving transformers and mutual inductance. Participants explore various approaches to the problem, including mesh analysis and impedance formulas, while attempting to verify each other's calculations.

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  • Homework-related
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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an initial calculation for impedance, questioning its correctness.
  • Several participants seek clarification on the meaning of j2 Ω and j1 Ω in the context of the transformer, with some suggesting it relates to mutual inductance.
  • Another participant proposes using mesh analysis to find the impedance seen by the source, indicating uncertainty about the direct formula for coupled circuits.
  • A later reply acknowledges the initial result but expresses difficulty in verifying the correctness due to the simplicity of the circuit values.
  • One participant provides a formula involving mutual inductance and total impedances, suggesting a relationship between the primary and secondary circuit impedances.
  • Another participant confirms the correctness of a result while providing additional context about the mutual inductance's impedance and its effect on the calculations.
  • One participant describes their own approach to calculating the input impedance, which aligns with the previous results but highlights a potentially faster method.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of confidence in the correctness of their calculations, with some agreeing on the final results while others remain uncertain about the methods used. Multiple competing views on the interpretation of the circuit elements and the approach to calculating impedance are present.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the ambiguity in the circuit values and the importance of referencing relevant equations, indicating that assumptions may not be fully articulated. The discussion reflects a reliance on specific definitions and circuit configurations that may not be universally understood.

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Homework Statement


Find the impedance as seen by the source.
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Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


-j2||j1 = 2i
Z = 2-j1+j2+(1^2)/(j2+2+j2)
Ztotal = 2.1+0.8i
Is this correct?
 
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What do you understand is meant by the j2 Ω on each side of the transformer? What does the j1 Ω referring to both sides indicate?
 
NascentOxygen said:
What do you understand is meant by the j2 Ω on each side of the transformer? What does the j1 Ω referring to both sides indicate?
Mutual inductance?
 
eehelp150 said:
Mutual inductance?
Well, I don't know the direct formula for finding impedance in such coupled circuits, but you can use mesh analysis on both the sides and find the current on the source side. Source voltage/source current will be the impedance seen by the source.
 
eehelp150 said:

Homework Statement


Find the impedance as seen by the source.
View attachment 109038

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


-j2||j1 = 2i
Z = 2-j1+j2+(1^2)/(j2+2+j2)
Ztotal = 2.1+0.8i
Is this correct?
The final result looks okay, but whether or not your work is correct is hard to say. Since all the values in the circuit are 1's and 2's, they become somewhat anonymous when we can only see digits.

The Relevant equations part of the template is there for a good reason. Could you not have quoted or referenced the equation that you employed?
 
NascentOxygen said:
What do you understand is meant by the j2 Ω on each side of the transformer? What does the j1 Ω referring to both sides indicate?

eehelp150 said:
Mutual inductance?

I asked two questions, and you gave only one answer?
 
NascentOxygen said:
I asked two questions, and you gave only one answer?
j1 is mutual inductance
j2 on each side is the self inductance

gneill said:
The final result looks okay, but whether or not your work is correct is hard to say. Since all the values in the circuit are 1's and 2's, they become somewhat anonymous when we can only see digits.

The Relevant equations part of the template is there for a good reason. Could you not have quoted or referenced the equation that you employed?
Z(total left) + M^2/Z(total right)
Z on left side:2-j1+j2
M=1-> M^2 = 1
-j2||j1 = 2j
Ztotalright = (j2+2+j2)
 
Okay. Now I can state that you've achieved the correct result in a valid manner.

For completeness, if the mutual inductance has impedance ##Z_m = 1j## as it was specified on the circuit diagram, and letting ##Z_p## and ##Z_s## be the total primary and secondary circuit impedances, then you can write:

##Z_in = Z_p - \frac{Z_m^2}{Z_s}##

The "j" of the mutual inductance squares out to -1, cancelling with the "-" of the term.
 
eehelp150 said:

Homework Statement


Find the impedance as seen by the source.
View attachment 109038

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


-j2||j1 = 2i+

Z = 2-j1+j2+(1^2)/(j2+2+j2)
Ztotal = 2.1+0.8i
Is this correct?
I did:
load impedance ZL = (j1 || -j2) + 2 = 2 + j2
for the input impedance to the xfmr including the load: (-7 + j4)/(2 + j4)
then add source impedance Zs = 2 - j1 giving total input impedance = (-7 + j4)/(2 + j4) + 2 - j1 = 2.1 + j0.8
which agrees with your result also. You seem to have come up with a faster way, to your credit!
 

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