Calculating initial temperature of iron block submerged into water

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The discussion revolves around calculating the initial temperature of an iron block that has been submerged in water. Participants are examining the thermal interactions and specific heat capacities involved in the problem.

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  • Participants are sharing their calculated initial temperatures and questioning the accuracy of their results based on differing inputs and assumptions. There is a focus on the significance of rounding and the precision of measurements.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants actively comparing their calculations and seeking clarification on specific values and conventions. Some have offered insights into potential errors and the importance of consistent significant figures, while others have acknowledged discrepancies in their results.

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There are mentions of varying specific heat capacities and the need for precise measurements, as well as concerns regarding the sign convention used in calculations. Participants are also discussing the implications of measurement precision on their results.

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A heated block of iron at temperature Ti with a mass of 61.331g is submerged into a beaker of water which has a mass of 200.562g and an inital temperature of 24.6 degrees Celsius. Once the iron is immersed into the water, 0.362 grams of the water evaporates. What is the initial temperature Ti of the iron block such that the final equilibrium temperature Tf is 34.3 degrees celsius?
Relevant Equations
Q=ml
Q=mcΔT Note: Δm=0.632
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Is my solution correct? If not, may you please advise me on how to change it?
 
Also, Δm actually equals 0.362. I made an error there.
 
Since your sign convention is unstated, it is hard to be sure whether your signs are correct. What numerical answer do you get?

(Quoting the masses to five and six figures when temperatures are only given to three is bizarre. Are you sure you have copied that correctly?)
 
I got that the initial temperature is 207 degrees Celsius as it was heated using a bunsen burner.
 
ayans2495 said:
I got that the initial temperature is 207 degrees Celsius as it was heated using a bunsen burner.
I get a considerably higher number. Please post the details of your working.
 
haruspex said:
I get a considerably higher number. Please post the details of your working.
I simply inputted the values provided into the equation I derived and solved for TiI. The sign convention of Q3 I believe is negative as if I were to make it positive I would end up with a negative result.
 
ayans2495 said:
I simply inputted the values provided into the equation I derived and solved for TiI.
Yes, but I did the same and get a rather different number, so one of us has an error. Please post the equation with all the numbers filled in.
 
haruspex said:
Yes, but I did the same and get a rather different number, so one of us has an error. Please post the equation with all the numbers filled in.
Perhaps I didn't round to the correct significant figures. When you asked whether or not I measured these correctly, the scale I used to measure these masses gave them in 4 to 5 s.f, but the thermometer in 3.May you please show me what values should be? I just posted my solution below.
 

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ayans2495 said:
Perhaps I didn't round to the correct significant figures. When you asked whether or not I measured these correctly, the scale I used to measure these masses gave them in 4 to 5 s.f, but the thermometer in 3.May you please show me what values should be? I just posted my solution below.
Where does the 9.9866 figure come from? You gave the water mass as 200.562g.
Given the precision elsewhere, you should use 4186, not 4200.
 
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haruspex said:
Where does the 9.9866 figure come from? You gave the water mass as 200.562g.
Given the precision elsewhere, you should use 4186, not 4200.

Sorry the actual mass of the water is 99.866 grams. I will be sure to use 4186.
 

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