Calculating Line of Sight and Obstruction in Restaurant Redesign

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The discussion revolves around calculating the line of sight and potential obstructions in a restaurant redesign scenario. The original poster presents a situation involving height measurements and distances to determine visibility of the horizon from a specific vantage point within the restaurant.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the geometry of the situation, questioning how the line of sight intersects with the Earth's curvature. There are discussions about the calculations related to the drop in height over distance and how this affects visibility.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the mathematical aspects of the problem. Some have raised questions about the assumptions made regarding the curvature of the Earth and its impact on visibility, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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There is a mention of the original poster's background in interior decoration, suggesting a potential lack of familiarity with physics concepts, which may influence the discussion dynamics. Additionally, the nature of the problem is framed as a practical application rather than a traditional homework assignment.

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I'm working on re-designing a restaurant by the sea. I'm a interior decorator so I know very litle about physics. Here's my question:

let's say you're in the back of a room with 90 meters of floor in front of you. You are 7 meters above ground but your eyes are only 10 cm above the floor. I've calculated that 7.1 meter up with a clear view gives you a line of sight of 9.6 km. Will i be able to see the horizon with the floor infront of me and if yes; how much of my line of sight will be obstructed by the floor. I've drawn a picture so you can understand the question better.


Thank you.
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Hi swopidopi, Welcome to Physics Forums.

Please remember to use the template provided to format your homework help requests.

Your problem is not so much a physics problem as an exercise in math/geometry. It boils down to determining where (or if?) a ray originating at the observer's eye and just grazing the outer edge of the platform intersects curved surface of the Earth. You should be able to write equations for both the circle represent the Earth's surface and the line which incorporates the ray.

swopidopi said:
I'm working on re-designing a restaurant by the sea. I'm a interior decorator so I know very litle about physics.
A restaurant whose customers lie on the floor at the back of the room? One hopes that this but a passing fad.
 
Based on the text, I shall assume this is not homework.
From the eye to the far edge of the floor, the line of sight drops .1m in 90m, or 1 in 900.
From there to the horizon, it drops 7m in 9600m, or 1 in 1370. So that settles whether the horizon will be visible.
As to how much of the view is lost, it depends how you measure it. Say it is in terms of optical angle. If you were to stand at the edge of the drop you would see 90 degrees, from vertically down to horizontal. From the given viewing height of 0.1m from the back edge, you will see less than one tenth of a degree. But I would think customers that drunk won't care.
 
haruspex said:
From there to the horizon, it drops 7m in 9600m, or 1 in 1370.
Does this take into account the curvature of the earth? I get that the line of sight to the horizon would drop more than this, about 1 in 670.
 
TSny said:
Does this take into account the curvature of the earth? I get that the line of sight to the horizon would drop more than this, about 1 in 670.
That's true, but I was not expecting it to make that much difference. Thanks for checking that.
 

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