Calculating magnetic field strength (complex)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating magnetic field strength, particularly in the context of eddy currents and the behavior of magnets dropped through conductive materials. Participants explore theoretical and experimental approaches to determine the magnetic field strength at a distance and the characteristics of eddy currents.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to relate the magnetic field strength of a magnet at a distance (1 cm) to its actual strength, questioning if an equation exists for this purpose.
  • Another participant mentions that the magnetic field of a small dipole may follow an inverse-square law, though they express uncertainty about this claim.
  • There is a suggestion that calculating eddy currents requires understanding the distribution of the magnetic field, which may complicate the analysis.
  • A participant provides a link to an online magnetic field and force calculator as a potential resource for determining magnetic field strength.
  • One participant introduces the Zeeman effect as a method to measure magnetic field strength through spectral line shifts, although they caution that the magnet's strength may be insufficient for significant results.
  • Another participant expresses interest in the application of the Zeeman effect in astronomy for measuring magnetic fields of stars.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the methods for calculating magnetic field strength and the nature of eddy currents. There is no consensus on a definitive approach or formula, and multiple competing ideas are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note practical challenges in measuring magnetic fields and the complexity of the underlying physics, particularly regarding the distribution of magnetic fields and the assumptions involved in different models.

Ghengis
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okay guys, i think I am out of my depth on this problem.

Im doing a long investigation on eddy currents, and i derived a formula. I am reaching the end of the investigation, and so i wanted to compare my experimental data to expected data. One of the factors i was investigating is the relationship between the terminal velocity of a magnet and its magnetic field strength in the scenario where a magnet is dropped down a copper tube.

However, as the magnet was too strong for my magnetic field measuring probe to measure, i measured it at 1 cm away from the magnet.
Is there any equation that can determine the actual magnetic field strength of a magnet, from the magnetic field strength of a magnet at 1 cm away.

Also, just as a side note, is there any way to determine the height of eddy currents algebraically. I know that the height of the eddy currents is the cross sectional area of the eddy currents divided by the thickness of the conductor. (ie h=A/z), but how do you determine the cross sectional area of the eddy currents.

Thanks so much!
 
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Um, guys, i really need your help :)
 
This is a point most textbooks don't even touch.

I've once read that if you have a small magnetic dipole, the field will follow an inverse-square law. But I'm not sure.

About calculating eddy currents, you would need more details such as how the magnetic field is distributed - and this will probably be complicated. Remember that even for the simplest cases (spire, solenoid...), the equations are only approximations.

I really wish I could help you more, but I'm not an expert in this subject.
 
Ghengis said:
Is there any equation that can determine the actual magnetic field strength of a magnet, from the magnetic field strength of a magnet at 1 cm away.
Here is an on-line magnetic field and force calculator that may help. There are also other on-line calculators on the web if this is unsatisfactory.

http://www.kjmagnetics.com/calculator.asp

Bob S
 
You probably won't be able to do this , but ill tell you so can learn what it is .
you could put your magnet near a gas discharge tube of let's say neon , and the magnetic field will alter the electrons orbital a little bit and cause a shift in the spectral lines
and the energy shift in the light would be the field strength multiplied by the bohr magneton , this is called the zeeman effect . and you would haft to measure the wavelength of the light .
and your bar magnet might not be strong enough to get any size-able shift .
 
@cragar:

Despite the practical problems (such as cost), this is the first time I've heard Zeeman effect could be used backwards.

Really cool!
 
I think this is how astronomers measure the B field strength of stars , by looking at the shift in the light .
 

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