Calculating Maximum Bending Stress for a Beam - I'm Doing it Wrong!

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum bending stress in a beam, focusing on the correct application of the moment of inertia and the parallel axis theorem. Participants are addressing a homework problem related to beam bending stress, exploring the necessary calculations and potential errors in the approach.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the maximum bending moment as 12.04 kNm and derives a maximum bending stress of approximately 37.9 MPa, expressing uncertainty about the correctness of this result.
  • Another participant confirms the maximum bending moment calculation but suggests using the parallel axis theorem for the moment of inertia, indicating that the centroids of the removed areas do not align with the beam's centroid.
  • A different participant questions the necessity of the parallel axis theorem, asserting that the second moment of area should be straightforward for the H cross-section of the beam.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the calculation of the moment of inertia, emphasizing that the centroids of the removed areas must be considered in relation to the beam's centroid.
  • One participant proposes specific formulas for calculating the moment of inertia for both the outer and inner rectangular sections of the beam.
  • Another participant points out that the large rectangle's centroid coincides with the beam centroid, suggesting that the parallel axis theorem does not apply in this case.
  • A participant expresses understanding after receiving assistance, indicating a resolution to their confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the application of the parallel axis theorem and the calculations of moment of inertia. While some confirm the necessity of the theorem, others contest its relevance for certain sections of the beam. The discussion remains unresolved on the best approach to calculate the moment of inertia accurately.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations in the calculations, particularly regarding the centroids of the areas involved and the assumptions made about their alignment with the beam's centroid. There is also an indication of confusion surrounding the application of the parallel axis theorem.

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bending stress in beam, help me !

Homework Statement



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Homework Equations



singularity function

bending stress (max) = { (M max)/I } * ( a/2)

The Attempt at a Solution



after writing the singularity function, and compute reactions force I found that the maximum bending moment should be 12.04 kNm

I = 1/12 ( 0.1 * 0.14 ^ 3 - 2 * 0.06 * 0.04 ^ 3 ) (m ^ 4)

y/2 = 0.14 /2 = 0.07 m

therefore, the maximum bending stress is ~ 37.9 MPa

but this is totally wrong :( :(, can anyone help with

thank you very much
 
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Hi songtoan92, welcome to PF. Your maximum bending moment looks fine. Make sure to use the parallel axis theorem when subtracting the moment of inertia of the missing areas of the cross-section, though, since they're not centered on the centroid of the beam. Know what I mean?
 


Mapes said:
Hi songtoan92, welcome to PF. Your maximum bending moment looks fine. Make sure to use the parallel axis theorem when subtracting the moment of inertia of the missing areas of the cross-section, though, since they're not centered on the centroid of the beam. Know what I mean?

Can you explain me more ?? I am a little bit confused now
Personally , I think , " I " is the 2nd moment of area, so considering the " H " cross-section of the beam I got I =... I think it does not a matter of moment of parallel axis theorem here ?
 


Moment of inertia is another common name for second moment of area.
In any case, your calculation of I involves subtracting two areas of 60 mm x 40 mm. But the second moment of area of these regions is not simply [itex]wh^3/12[/itex] because their centroids do not coincide with the centroid of the beam. Rather, their centroids are 50 mm away from the beam centroid. So I is calculated as [itex]I=wh^3/12+whr^2[/itex], where [itex]r=50\,\mathrm{mm}[/itex]. (This is called the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_axis_theorem" .) Try this and see if you get the answer you're expecting.
 
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Mapes said:
Moment of inertia is another common name for second moment of area.
In any case, your calculation of I involves subtracting two areas of 60 mm x 40 mm. But the second moment of area of these regions is not simply [itex]wh^3/12[/itex] because their centroids do not coincide with the centroid of the beam. Rather, their centroids are 50 mm away from the beam centroid. So I is calculated as [itex]I=wh^3/12+whr^2[/itex], where [itex]r=50\,\mathrm{mm}[/itex]. (This is called the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_axis_theorem" .) Try this and see if you get the answer you're expecting.

So,...

I1 (of the outer rectangular) = 1 / 12 * 0.1 * 0.14 ^ 3 + 0.1 * 0.14 * 0.05 ^ 2
I2 (of the inner rectangular) = 1 / 12 * 0.06 * 0.04 ^ 3 + 0.04 * 0.06 * 0.05 ^ 2

and the I final = I1 - 2I2 ~ 4.5 * 10E-05

is that right ??
 
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You don't need to use [itex]r=50\,\mathrm{mm}[/itex] for the large rectangle. Its centroid coincides with the beam centroid.
 


Mapes said:
You don't need to use [itex]r=50\,\mathrm{mm}[/itex] for the large rectangle. Its centroid coincides with the beam centroid.

I 've got it, thank you for your help :D
 

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