Calculating maximum flux density

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on calculating the maximum flux density for an electrical engineering problem involving alternating voltage. Participants explore the integration of a function with respect to time, converting degrees to time based on frequency, and the implications of their calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula for maximum flux density and expresses difficulty in integrating with respect to time instead of degrees or radians.
  • Another participant suggests a relationship between degrees and time using frequency, providing a formula involving angular velocity.
  • A participant proposes a variable substitution approach to facilitate integration, questioning the validity of their results which yield an unexpectedly high maximum flux density.
  • Further suggestions are made regarding the substitution of variables to convert degrees into time for the integral.
  • One participant confirms the calculation of time for specific angles, providing a method to derive the time for 150 degrees.
  • A later reply indicates that the participant has resolved their confusion regarding the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method for conversion and integration, as there are multiple approaches suggested and some uncertainty remains regarding the correctness of the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the integration process and the conversion of degrees to time, indicating potential limitations in their understanding of the relationship between angular motion and time.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students or professionals in electrical engineering or physics who are dealing with problems involving alternating voltage and require assistance with integration and unit conversion in their calculations.

JoelKTH
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Homework Statement
Calculating maximum flux density
Relevant Equations
u=dphi/dt=dNBA/dt
Hi everyone,

I have a EE problem that I need to sort out for alternating voltage. I have to find out the maximum flux density.

B_max= integral from 150 degrees to 30 degrees (u/(2NA) dt is my problem.
I have a hard time to integrate this since I am to integrate with time and not degrees or radians. The frequency f= 100 Hz in this problem(not sure if its relevant).
How do I convert degrees to time? To my knowledge the right answer for 150 degrees should be 25/6 ms to 5/6 ms

Necessary data that's not part of my question but in the problem description: U_max= 200 V, A= 0.06^2 m^2, u=dphi/dt=dNBA/dt

Kind regards
 
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Hi, there is a relation between degrees and time if you have the frequency ... because ##f=2\pi \omega## where ##\omega## is the angular velocity (or pulsation). If you write ##\omega=\frac{\Delta \alpha}{\Delta t}## you have that ## \Delta \alpha = \frac{f}{2\pi}\Delta t##, or simply ##\alpha=\frac{f}{2\pi}t## (if it is not a difference), I don't know if this can help you ...
Ssnow
 
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Hi, thank you for your reply.

I think some kind of variable substitution is the way to go. If the angular velocity w= d(alpha)/dt ---> dt= w/(d(alpha)) is possible to put into the integral. However using degrees in integral is giving me a maximum flow of about 36.5 T which is way too high.

Is it possible to convert differently?

I attached the integral and the data, perhaps its clearer to understand the problem
 

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Hi, yes I think the substitution can be of the following form ## \alpha \,=\, \frac{50}{\pi}t## do the differential will be ##d\alpha\,=\,\frac{50}{\pi}dt## and inverting ##dt\,=\, \frac{\pi}{50} d\alpha##, now put it into your integral ... 😄
Ssnow
 
Hi,

I tried putting it into the integral. The first try was to convert it to radians and the second to degrees.
I attached my solution and the "right" solution. However I do not get the same answer as below...2021-04-07#2-solution.PNG

Are you sure my attached solution is the way to go?

Kind regards
 

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After 1/100 s you make a full circle -> 360°
Now you can calculate how long you need for 1° respectively 150° etc.
For 150° you''ll get the 25/6 ms
For the 30° it's the same approach.
 
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Thank you, I got it :D
 

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