Calculating Moment of Force in a Right Triangle - 3-4-5 Triangle Example

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the moment of force in a 3-4-5 right triangle, specifically focusing on the forces applied at point B and their effect on point A. Participants explore the application of torque equations and the geometry of the triangle in the context of a homework problem.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the triangle's configuration and the forces acting at point B, seeking to find the moment of these forces with respect to point A.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the dimensions of the triangle and emphasizes the need for clarity in the calculations, suggesting that the moment is the product of the force and the perpendicular distance from point A.
  • A participant provides calculations for the torque using the formula T = rFsin(theta), detailing their approach and results.
  • Another participant confirms the coordinates of the triangle's vertices and the forces applied, indicating that if these are correct, the previous calculations may also be correct.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the assistance and indicates that the forum is a valuable resource for their studies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the configuration of the triangle and the forces involved, but there is no consensus on the correctness of the calculations or the interpretation of the moment of force. Some participants seek clarification and verification of the calculations presented.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of the dimensions and units used in the problem, as well as potential misunderstandings regarding the application of torque equations. The discussion reflects varying levels of confidence and understanding among participants.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students studying mechanics, particularly those working on problems involving torque and forces in geometric configurations.

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Homework Statement


I have a 3-4-5 right triangle with the 3 as the base and the 5 as the hypotenuse.

The corner of the 3 and the 5 is point A

The corner of the 3 and the 4 is point B

At B, perpendicular to the base is a force of 100lb going down- into the corner. (Fv)

At B, Parallel to the base is a force of 100lb going "into" the corner. (Fh)


Homework Equations



The question is asking: Find the moment of the force with respect to A.



The Attempt at a Solution



I am assuming the angles are 53 deg at A, 37 deg at B (and the 90 of course).

I am treating this like a torque equation but since the forces are going into the figure. I have no idea where to start. Any help would be greatly appreciated. It's been about 5 yrs since I have done any physics. I am taking a fluid dynamics class to prepare to begin getting my MS in Environmental Engineering (Water) in the fall.

Thank you!
 
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SpringMorning said:

Homework Statement


I have a 3-4-5 right triangle with the 3 as the base and the 5 as the hypotenuse.

The corner of the 3 and the 5 is point A

The corner of the 3 and the 4 is point B

At B, perpendicular to the base is a force of 100lb going down- into the corner. (Fv)

At B, Parallel to the base is a force of 100lb going "into" the corner. (Fh)


Homework Equations



The question is asking: Find the moment of the force with respect to A.



The Attempt at a Solution



I am assuming the angles are 53 deg at A, 37 deg at B (and the 90 of course).

I am treating this like a torque equation but since the forces are going into the figure. I have no idea where to start. Any help would be greatly appreciated. It's been about 5 yrs since I have done any physics. I am taking a fluid dynamics class to prepare to begin getting my MS in Environmental Engineering (Water) in the fall.

Thank you!

I am so incredibly embarrassed... I had my calculator set on radians, instead of degrees. But please check my answer if you would... I got 100 lb ft (Yes the english units are driving me nuts too but it's the way the teacher did it... when oh when will the US catch up to the rest of the world when it comes to the metric system!)
 
SpringMorning: I am currently unsure what the dimensions of the triangle sides are. I understand the triangle proportions; but no actual dimensions with units are stated. Nonetheless, the moment about point A would be the applied force multiplied by the perpendicular distance from point A to the force. I currently did not understand how you obtained your answer. If you show your work, someone might check your math.
 
nvn said:
SpringMorning: I am currently unsure what the dimensions of the triangle sides are. I understand the triangle proportions; but no actual dimensions with units are stated. Nonetheless, the moment about point A would be the applied force multiplied by the perpendicular distance from point A to the force. I currently did not understand how you obtained your answer. If you show your work, someone might check your math.

I am sorry for not being more clear.

The dimensions are in feet and lbs.

My work: T=rFsin(theta)

T1=5 ft*100lbs*sin(37)
T2=5 ft*100lbs*sin(53)

Sum T= T2-T1=399.318-399.318=approx 100 (98.41...)

The triangle is 3 ft base, 4 foot high, 5 ft hyp

Forces Fvertical= 100 lbs (perp to base)
Fhorizontal=100 lbs (parallel to base)

Both forces come into the corner of the hyp and height (5 and 4)

I hope this helps.

Thank you!
 
My current understanding is, the (x, y) coordinates, in units of feet, of your triangle vertices are A(0, 0), B(3, 4), C(3, 0). And the forces applied to point B are Fh = -100 lbf, and Fv = -100 lbf. If this is correct, then your answer is correct. Please correct me if I am misunderstanding your diagram. See also this https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=2191084".
 
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nvn said:
My current understanding is, the (x, y) coordinates, in units of feet, of your triangle vertices are A(0, 0), B(3, 4), C(3, 0). And the forces applied to point B are Fh = -100 lbf, and Fv = -100 lbf. If this is correct, then your answer is correct. Please correct me if I am misunderstanding your diagram. See also this https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=2191084".

Yes, your understanding is correct.

Thank you for checking this for me.

I have a feeling that this forum is going to be a lifesaver for me the rest of this semester!

Thank you so much!
 
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