Calculating multiple magnitudes for induced electric field

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This discussion focuses on the calculation of induced electric fields in two conducting loops placed within a uniform magnetic field, specifically analyzing the effects of a rapidly changing magnetic field. Using Faraday's Law, the induced EMFs for the loops were calculated as 416.26V and 66.6V, leading to electric field strengths of 13.25 V/m and 5.3 V/m, respectively. The participant expressed confusion over the differing electric field magnitudes at a shared point and questioned the relationship between loop radius and electric field strength, noting that the electric field is not spatially uniform. The conclusion emphasizes that the induced electric field's strength does not follow an inverse square law.

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Let's say I place two different size conducting loops inside of a uniform magnetic field. For the sake of the diagram I have the loops share a point, but just treat them as though they are not touching.
Then I decrease the value of the magnetic field very quickly.
\frac{dB}{dt} = \frac{1.6T}{0.3s}=5.3 T/s
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Since I changed the magnitude of the uniform magnetic field, the magnetic flux going through both loops will change. According to Faraday's Law, both loops will experience induced EMFs due to the change in magnetic flux. This will result in current.
\frac{d\Phi _{m}}{dt} = A \frac{dB}{dt} = \epsilon
\epsilon_{1} = \pi (5)^2 \cdot(5.3) = 416.26V \hspace{2cm}<br /> \epsilon_{2} = \pi (2)^2 \cdot(5.3) = 66.6V
Regardless of whether the loops are actually present or not, the changing magnetic field will create an induced electric field.
\epsilon = \oint E\cdot ds = E \cdot2\pi r \hspace{2cm}<br /> E=\frac{\epsilon}{2\pi r}

E_{1} =\frac{416.26}{2\pi (5)} = 13.25 V/m \hspace{2cm}<br /> E_{2} =\frac{66.6 }{2\pi (2)} = 5.3V/m

But the magnitudes of calculated electric fields are bugging me for two reasons:

1) At the "shared point", I have two different calculated values for the electric field. The electric field at a single point can't have two different magnitudes though! I must be doing something inherently wrong in this problem.

2) Judging by my two calculated electric fields: the strength of an induced field increases as the loop's radius increases. For some reason I keep telling myself that the electric field strength should decrease to satisfy some inverse square law. Is there a more intuitive way to look at this that could help overcome my bad instinct?
 

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Kerrigoth said:
Regardless of whether the loops are actually present or not, the changing magnetic field will create an induced electric field.
ϵ=∮E⋅ds=E⋅2πrE=ϵ2πr​
\epsilon = \oint E\cdot ds = E \cdot2\pi r \hspace{2cm} E=\frac{\epsilon}{2\pi r}
This is the mistake. E is not spatially uniform, the curl of E is spatially uniform.
 

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