Calculating Orifice Profile and Plate Thickness for 48" Pipeline

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the orifice profile and plate thickness for a 48" pipeline transporting air under specific pressure conditions. Participants explore the implications of critical flow conditions and methods for estimating orifice size based on fluid dynamics principles.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the need to control pig speed in a pipeline with air at specified upstream and downstream pressures.
  • Another participant notes that the flow is critical, indicating that the velocity is limited by the speed of sound in the orifice throat, and provides a formula to estimate the speed of sound.
  • A formula for volumetric flow is presented, linking it to the orifice area and speed of sound.
  • One participant shares their modeling results, suggesting a diameter of approximately 63 mm for the orifice based on a discharge coefficient (Cd) of 0.8.
  • Another participant challenges the discharge coefficient value, suggesting that a Cd of 0.6 may be more appropriate for an orifice.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate discharge coefficient for the orifice, indicating a lack of consensus on this aspect of the calculations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not clarify the assumptions behind the chosen values for the isentropic exponent or gas constant, nor does it resolve the implications of using different discharge coefficients in the calculations.

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We have a situation where we have air in front of the dry pigs and need to control the pig speed

Medium is air, pressure is 17 barg upstream and 0.2 barg downstream and pig speed target is O.5 m/s for the pig in the 48" pipeline with a pressure of 17 barg.

need to find the following:

Orifice profile (hole) size?
Plate thickness
 
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For these upstream and downstream conditions the flow is critical, sonic, or "choked" which means the velocity is limited by the speed of sound in the orifice throat.

So a quick estimate is to calculate the speed of sound in the pipeline:

v_sonic = sqrt (k R Tstar)

k = isentropic exponent
R = gas constant
Tstar = 0.8333 Tgas

The volumetric flow is:

V_flow = v_sonic * A_orifice

and solve for A_orifice which is the area of the orifice. Then you can find the orifice bore size from this area.
 
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thanks , i have tried to model it on massflow and Cd as 0.8 landed around 63 mm dia
 
badri2221 said:
thanks , i have tried to model it on massflow and Cd as 0.8 landed around 63 mm dia

Glad to hear you have this running. I think CD of .6 is closer for an orifice.
 

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