Calculating Powers of 4: A Challenge!

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The discussion revolves around the problem of determining whether the expression 4^27 + 4^500 + 4^n can be a perfect square, particularly focusing on the case where n is a positive integer. Participants explore various mathematical approaches and examples related to large integers and their properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the initial problem of whether 4^27 + 4^500 + 4^972 is a square, providing a manageable example of 4^3 + 4^7 + 4^10 equating to 1032^2.
  • Another participant suggests taking the floor of the square root to check for integer results, although the specifics of this approach are unclear.
  • A participant elaborates on the manageable example, breaking it down into factors and demonstrating that it can be expressed as a square.
  • Further, a participant clarifies the original problem by rewriting it and showing the steps leading to the conclusion that n must equal 972, while questioning the transition from n-27 to 945 in the solution.
  • Another participant reformulates the expression in terms of powers of 2, leading to a similar conclusion about n being 972, and presents a general formula relating n to u and v.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the conclusion that n equals 972 based on their calculations, but there are points of contention regarding the specific steps and transformations used to arrive at this conclusion.

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Some participants express uncertainty about specific transitions in the mathematical reasoning, particularly regarding the manipulation of exponents and the conditions under which the expressions are valid.

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Working with a problem with huge integers;
is 4^27 + 4^500 + 4^972 a square? (length of that is 586 digits!)

Manageable(!) example:
4^3 + 4^7 + 4^10 = 1032^2

Thanks for any help; couldn't find an online calculator that can handle that.
 
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I do not know if this work for you to make sure it is an integer I took the floor of the square root here
check this
and this

to make sure it is an integer I took the floor of the square root here
 
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Wilmer said:
Working with a problem with huge integers;
is 4^27 + 4^500 + 4^972 a square? (length of that is 586 digits!)

Manageable(!) example:
4^3 + 4^7 + 4^10 = 1032^2

Thanks for any help; couldn't find an online calculator that can handle that.
For the manageable example
$$4^3 + 4^7 + 4^{10} = 4^3(1 + 4^4 + 4^7) = 2^6(1 + 2^8 + 2^{14}) = \bigl(2^3(1+2^7)\bigr)^2.$$
Now try the same procedure with your bigger numbers.
 
Thanks loads, Amer.
I'll make SURE to remember Wolfram!

This was the original problem:
4^27 + 4^500 + 4^n = k^2
where n and k are both positive integers.
What is n?

This was the given solution:
4^27 + 4^500 + 4^n
= 4^27 (1 + 2^946 + 4^(n - 27))
= 4^27 (1 + 2.2^945 + (2^(n-27))^2)
= 4^27 (1 + 2.2^945 + (2^945)^2) ***********
= ((2^27)(1 + 2^945))^2
= k^2 where k = (2^27)(1 + 2^945)

so it must indicate n - 27 = 945
it means n = 27 + 945 = 972

I can follow almost all of it; except the switch from n-27 to 945 ***********
Can you see why? Thanks.
 
Thanks Opal; now quite clear. Slightly differently:

4^27 + 4^500 + 4^n

= 2^54 + 2^1000 + 2^(2n)

= 2^54[1 + 2^946 + 2^(2n - 54)] : A

= 2^54[1 + 2^(n - 27)]^2

= 2^54[1 + 2^(n - 26) + 2^(2n - 54)] : B

A, B: 2^54[1 + 2^946 + 2^(2n - 54)] = 2^54[1 + 2^(n - 26) + 2^(2n - 54)]
So:
2^946 = 2^(n - 26)
n - 26 = 946
n = 972

In other words, using 4^u + 4^v + 4^n :
n = 2v - u - 1
 
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