Calculating relativistic effects of motion in solar system

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of relativistic effects on the trajectory of an impactor aimed at Mercury, as referenced in Kim Stanley Robinson's novel "2312". Participants explore the implications of general relativity on orbital mechanics, particularly focusing on the precession of Mercury and the challenges of calculating a precise impact trajectory without mid-course corrections.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the accuracy of the relativistic precession values provided in the novel and seeks validation of the calculations presented.
  • Another participant notes that the precession of Mercury is a well-documented test of general relativity, suggesting that the concept is grounded in established physics.
  • A participant expresses curiosity about the theoretical calculation of an impact trajectory to Mercury without mid-course corrections, highlighting the complexities involved in such a task.
  • It is mentioned that while modern probes often utilize thrusters for course corrections, initial launch accuracy is critical, and the trajectory must account for the positions of celestial bodies at the time of launch.
  • Participants discuss the need for precise calculations that incorporate the gravitational influences of other planets to achieve the desired accuracy in trajectory predictions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the accuracy of the precession values mentioned in the novel, with some questioning the calculations while others affirm the relevance of the relativistic effects. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact calculations and their implications.

Contextual Notes

There are uncertainties regarding the specific values of precession mentioned and the assumptions underlying the trajectory calculations, including the influence of other celestial bodies and the precision required for such calculations.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring the intersection of literature and physics, particularly in the context of general relativity and its applications in celestial mechanics.

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This question and answer are posed in Kim Stanley Robinson's novel "2312".

"Pauline, if someone had calculated the trajectory of an impactor to hit [an exact spot on the planet Mercury], but they forgot to include the relativistic precession of Mercury in their calculation and only used the classical calculus of orbital mechanics, how far would they miss by? Assume the impactor was launched from the asteroid belt a year earlier."

Pauline said, "The precession of Mercury is 5603.24 arc seconds per Julian century, but the portion of that caused by the curvature of space-time as described by general relativity is 42.98 arc seconds per century. Any trajectory a year in duration, plotted without that factored in, would therefore miss by 13.39 kilometers."

My question is, is this all made up? Or might it be accurate?
 
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Interesting. The numbers are in the novel the way I typed them.

Even though Pauline answered only the precession part of the question, I was fascinated by the possibility of the whole calculation. In recent years, NASA and other countries' space agencies have sent probes to Mars, asteroids and even a comet. But I think they all had thrusters to do course corrections along the way.

But if you throw a rock at Mercury from the asteroid belt, how would you calculate (even in theory) the direction and speed to make it hit a specific spot after a year's travel--with no mid-course corrections!?
 
KenJackson said:
In recent years, NASA and other countries' space agencies have sent probes to Mars, asteroids and even a comet. But I think they all had thrusters to do course corrections along the way.

They did, but the course corrections are very small; a probe can't carry enough fuel to make large course corrections, so it has to be launched very accurately to begin with. The course corrections are not always needed, but NASA allows for the possibility to be safe.

KenJackson said:
if you throw a rock at Mercury from the asteroid belt, how would you calculate (even in theory) the direction and speed to make it hit a specific spot after a year's travel--with no mid-course corrections!?

You would have to know the precise positions of the asteroid, the Sun, and the planets at launch, so you could compute the rock's trajectory to the required accuracy. It's tedious, but straightforward; you start out with the asteroid and Mercury moving in the field of the Sun as your first approximation, then just add in effects of other planets until you've taken into account every effect that's large enough to matter. Nowadays computers would do all the grunt work anyway.
 

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