Calculating sin ( 0.5 arcsinx)

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of sin(0.5 arcsinx) using different trigonometric identities. Participants explore the algebraic manipulation of these identities and the resulting expressions, questioning the discrepancies in their results when graphed.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents two identities to calculate sin(0.5 arcsinx) and derives two different expressions, questioning the validity of their algebra or potential domain issues.
  • Another participant suggests that the two derived expressions are equivalent, providing a detailed algebraic manipulation to show this equivalence.
  • A different participant raises a concern about the differing graphs of the two expressions, suggesting that the discrepancy may relate to absolute values or other factors.
  • Another participant comments on the limitations of Wolfram Alpha in handling imaginary numbers and odd roots of negative values, implying this could affect the graphing results.
  • One participant notes that isolating sin(x) leads to the absolute value of sin(x), which is only equal to sin(x) in specific intervals, questioning why the two expressions yield the same answer despite this consideration.

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Participants express differing views on the equivalence of the two expressions derived from the trigonometric identities. There is no consensus on whether the discrepancies in their graphs are due to algebraic errors, domain issues, or limitations of the graphing tool used.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the expressions involve absolute values and specific intervals where the sine function behaves differently, which may contribute to the observed differences in graphs.

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I did this question using two different trig identities, each of which gave me a different answer when I graphed them on Wolfram Alpha.

1. First identity: sinx = 2sin(0.5x)cos(0.5x)
isolating for sin(0.5x):

sin(0.5x) = (sinx) / (2cos(0.5x))

The question wants sin (0.5 arcsinx):

Applying the formula, we get the answer to be
$$\frac{x}{\sqrt{2(1+\sqrt{1-x^2})}}$$

2. Second identity: sin2x = 0.5 (1-cos2x),
or sin20.5x = 0.5(1-cosx)

Applying that formula, we get the answer to be
$$\sqrt{\frac{1}{2}(1-\sqrt{1-x^2})}$$

Why are the two answers different? Is my algebra wrong somewhere, or is this an issue of domain or something?
 
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Rido12 said:
I did this question using two different trig identities, each of which gave me a different answer when I graphed them on Wolfram Alpha.

1. First identity: sinx = 2sin(0.5x)cos(0.5x)
isolating for sin(0.5x):

sin(0.5x) = (sinx) / (2cos(0.5x))

The question wants sin (0.5 arcsinx):

Applying the formula, we get the answer to be
$$\frac{x}{\sqrt{2(1+\sqrt{1-x^2})}}$$

2. Second identity: sin2x = 0.5 (1-cos2x),
or sin20.5x = 0.5(1-cosx)

Applying that formula, we get the answer to be
$$\sqrt{\frac{1}{2}(1-\sqrt{1-x^2})}$$

Why are the two answers different? Is my algebra wrong somewhere, or is this an issue of domain or something?
They are the same
$$\displaystyle \frac{x}{\sqrt{2(1+\sqrt{1-x^2})}}= \frac{x \sqrt{1 -\sqrt{ 1-x^2}}}{\sqrt{2(1+\sqrt{1-x^2})}\sqrt{1 - \sqrt{1-x^2}}}= \frac{ x \sqrt{ 1 - \sqrt{ 1 -x^2 }} }{ \sqrt{ 2 ( 1 - (1 - x^2 ))} }= \sqrt{ \frac{1}{2} ( 1 - \sqrt{1 - x^2 } ) } $$

Note that $ \sqrt{x^2} = \mid x \mid $
 
It has been my experience that W|A does not handle imaginary numbers correctly with respect to graphing or odd roots of real negative values. Try graphing $$y=x^{\frac{1}{3}}$$ and you get garbage for negative values of $x$.
 
Above, I used sin20.5x = 0.5(1-cosx), but isolating $$\sin\left({x}\right) $$would give us |$$\sin\left({x}\right)$$|. And |$$\sin\left({x}\right)$$| is only equal to $$\sin\left({x}\right)$$ on intervals such as $$(0, \pi)$$ and $$(2\pi, 3\pi)$$. Why, then, do they yield the same answer?
 

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