Calculating Static Frictional Force on an incline

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the normal force and static frictional force acting on a car parked on an incline of 17°. The subject area pertains to static friction and forces on inclined planes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the normal force using the mass of the car and the incline angle. There is uncertainty about finding the static frictional force due to the absence of a coefficient of friction. Some participants suggest that the static friction force must be determined based on equilibrium conditions rather than maximum values.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the relationship between static friction and other forces acting on the car. There is a suggestion to consider the forces in equilibrium, but no consensus has been reached on the exact approach to find the static frictional force.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the car is stationary, indicating a state of equilibrium, and question how the normal force and static friction interact in this context. There is also mention of needing to list all forces and establish a coordinate system for clarity.

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Homework Statement


A car (m = 1680 kg) is parked on a road that rises 17° above the horizontal. What are the magnitudes of (a) the normal force and (b) the static frictional force that the ground exerts on the tires?



Homework Equations


FsMAX = Mu*FN or in this case: FsMAX = Mu*mg*cos(17)



The Attempt at a Solution


I found (a), the normal force by finding mg (1680 * 9.8) and then multiplying that by cos(17) because of the incline. My problem is finding the static frictional force because there is no coefficient given. I've tried to find the coefficient by using the normal force, but I still end up with two unknowns... 16464 (FN) = Fs/Mu.
 
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Shadow236 said:
I found (a), the normal force by finding mg (1680 * 9.8) and then multiplying that by cos(17) because of the incline.
Good.

My problem is finding the static frictional force because there is no coefficient given. I've tried to find the coefficient by using the normal force, but I still end up with two unknowns... 16464 (FN) = Fs/Mu.
You are asked to find the actual static friction force, not the maximum value between the surfaces. Hint: You don't need the coefficient, just the conditions for static equilibrium.
 
Because the car is parked, it is stationary, that is to say, in equilibrium. So the force of static friction is balanced by some other force. What is this force? Can you find it?
 
voko said:
Because the car is parked, it is stationary, that is to say, in equilibrium. So the force of static friction is balanced by some other force. What is this force? Can you find it?
Are they the Normal Force and the weight of the car?
 
Isn't the normal force perpendicular to the force of friction? How can they balance each other then?

It is probably best to list all the forces, choose a coordinate system, and write down the equations of equilibrium.
 

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