Calculating the change of a Wind Turbine's RPM due to Airflow as f(t)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mathematical modeling of a wind turbine's RPM changes due to airflow over time. Participants explore the complexities involved in formulating the problem, including the effects of blade motion and airflow dynamics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to begin mathematically modeling the problem, suggesting the need to find an expression for initial lift and considering circular motion.
  • Another participant emphasizes the necessity of computing the angle of attack and the lift and drag forces at each radial point along the blade, indicating the complexity of integrating these forces.
  • A third participant proposes a numerical solution approach, detailing a method to analyze the blade as segments with varying airspeed and angle of attack, leading to torque calculations.
  • There is mention of the need to account for the turbine's effect on wind velocity and direction, suggesting that the modeling must consider these dynamic changes.
  • One participant recommends using existing modeling software, specifically FAST from NREL, highlighting the importance of the turbine's control scheme in the modeling process.

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Participants generally agree on the complexity of the problem and the necessity for a numerical approach, but there are differing opinions on the specifics of modeling techniques and the importance of various factors like control schemes.

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Participants note limitations in their current understanding and the need for foundational knowledge in physics, fluid dynamics, and numerical analysis to tackle the problem effectively.

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I have a typical 3 bladed HAWT with a known blade and hub geometry along with full knowledge of the initial airflow (density, temp, pressure, speed). How can I model the motion of the turbine (RPM as a function of time) ?
the tldr covers everything I think. I don't expect there will be an analytic solution here lol. but I don't even know where to even begin formulating this problem mathematically. I assume I should find an expression for the initial lift on the blades, multiply by 3 and then model it as a circular motion problem?

But the problem is, that would only be valid for the instant t=0 and no time after it because:

(1) once the blades start moving, the lift per blade will be different too since the blades are now spinning whereas they were stationary at first.

(2) The spinning of the blades might create additional fluid effects that would distort the incoming airflow before it hits the blades.

So I'm mighty confused on how to deal with these issues in mathematical modelling.
 
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You cannot really.
For any turbine RPM and wind speed, the angle of attack must be computed at each radial point along the blade. The lift and drag of each section along the blade must then be computed. Those forces must be integrated, and the angular acceleration of the turbine = "transducer disc" computed.
 
The solution will be a numerical solution as described in your quote below:
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I expect you will somehow need to calculate the lift on each turbine blade multiply by the number of them and model it as a circular motion problem. but then you also need to take into account the change of lift per blade due to the fact the blade will spin, (whereas it was stationary at first) and also the effects of the spinning blades on the incoming fluid as well. All issues currently beyond my modelling abilities
You start at the hub, and analyze the blade as a series of segments. Each segment has an airspeed, an angle of attack, and a radius. The airspeed and angle of attack allow you to calculate/find the ##C_L## and ##C_D##, from which you calculate the torque. Sum over the length of the blade, multiply by the number of blades, and you have total drive torque.

Total drive torque minus friction minus power generated equals net acceleration torque. Divide that by the total inertia and you have the angular acceleration at that point in time. Start at time 0, HAWT velocity 0, and select an appropriate time step. Integrate accordingly, then proceed to the next time step. Repeat until finished.

If the above is gibberish, you need to go back and study the fundamentals - physics, fluid dynamics, calculus, numerical analysis, and airfoil theory.

MTA: And that assumes a constant wind velocity and direction. The turbine will affect the wind in the vicinity of the turbine. But it's a good place to start.
 
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Your best bet is to use existing code. FAST, from NREL (https://www.nrel.gov/wind/nwtc/fast.html) is an excellent wind turbine modeling code that will do everything you want.

However, the most important factor in this is going to be the wind turbine's control scheme, both for blade pitch and generator torque, and I notice you haven't really mentioned it here. It's an incredibly complicated problem, so even if you want to design your own from scratch, I'd start by looking at what FAST does (luckily it's open source and there are a lot of papers using and describing it) and working from there.
 
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