Calculating the flux through a certain radius (concentric charged spheres)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the electric flux through a radius of 1.5 meters in the context of concentric charged spheres. Participants are attempting to clarify their approaches to the problem, which involves integrating charge distributions and understanding the relevant equations for electric flux.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents their calculation attempt for the flux at r = 1.5 m and seeks confirmation of their answer.
  • Another participant questions the integration limits used in the calculation and asks for clarification on the symbols and dimensions of the charge distributions involved.
  • There is a discussion about the appropriate use of surface integrals versus volume integrals in calculating flux, with references to the relationship between electric field strength and charge density.
  • Some participants express confusion over the notation used, particularly regarding the reuse of the symbol r in different contexts within the problem.
  • A later reply suggests that the flux should be calculated at different radii (2.5 m or 0.5 m) rather than at 1.5 m, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the problem requirements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the correct approach to the problem, with multiple competing views on how to calculate the flux and which radius should be used for the calculation. The discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of the symbols and definitions used by participants, which may affect the understanding of the problem. Additionally, the discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the integration methods and the specific requirements of the problem.

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Relevant Equations
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My attempt for the 1st part, when r = 1.5 m
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Could someone confirm my answer?
 
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Hi,

Do you know what a shell is ?
You seem to integrate something from 1 to 1.5 m. What is that ?
Did you notice the dimension of the given charge distributions ? Does that match your ##\rho_v## ?
I also have trouble understanding what your symbols mean. ##\phi = Q## ?

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BvU said:
You seem to integrate something from 1 to 1.5 m. What is that ?
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BvU said:
also have trouble understanding what your symbols mean. ϕ=Q ?
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Sparse with words we are, eh ?
So what is flux in your context ? Units ?
You are asked to calculate the flux through ##r = 1.5## m as a starter in part (a).
falyusuf said:
My attempt for the 1st part, when r = 1.5 m
In post #3 the volume integral you wrote in post #1 is replaced by a surface integral. Good ! And you write $$\phi = \oint \overline D\, \overline{dS} = Q_{enc} =\int \rho_s ds$$ where I must suppose ##D = \varepsilon_0 E## ?

In my book the electric flux in such a nice spherically symmetric case is ##\Phi = EA## with E the electric field strength in Newton/Coulomb and A the area in m2 . In other words, I get $$\Phi = \oint {\overline {D}\over \varepsilon_0}\; \overline{dS} = {Q_{enc}\over \varepsilon_0}$$ and the units are Nm2/C.

We are still in part (a) first question. I agree that ##Q_{enc} = \rho_s \, 4\pi \,r^2## with ##r = 1 m##.
second and third (a) questions remain unanswered ?
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Moving on to part (b) first question:

Your exercise composer makes life difficult by re-using symbol ##r## in r = 1.5 m where ##D## is asked for. We no longer need the ##\varepsilon_0##.
You are smart enough to replace ##r## by ##R## (without explaining:mad:) but then you take ##R= 1 ## m (given) ?

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BvU said:
Sparse with words we are, eh ?
So what is flux in your context ? Units ?
You are asked to calculate the flux through ##r = 1.5## m as a starter in part (a).

In post #3 the volume integral you wrote in post #1 is replaced by a surface integral. Good ! And you write $$\phi = \oint \overline D\, \overline{dS} = Q_{enc} =\int \rho_s ds$$ where I must suppose ##D = \varepsilon_0 E## ?

In my book the electric flux in such a nice spherically symmetric case is ##\Phi = EA## with E the electric field strength in Newton/Coulomb and A the area in m2 . In other words, I get $$\Phi = \oint {\overline {D}\over \varepsilon_0}\; \overline{dS} = {Q_{enc}\over \varepsilon_0}$$ and the units are Nm2/C.

We are still in part (a) first question. I agree that ##Q_{enc} = \rho_s \, 4\pi \,r^2## with ##r = 1 m##.
second and third (a) questions remain unanswered ?
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Moving on to part (b) first question:

Your exercise composer makes life difficult by re-using symbol ##r## in r = 1.5 m where ##D## is asked for. We no longer need the ##\varepsilon_0##.
You are smart enough to replace ##r## by ##R## (without explaining:mad:) but then you take ##R= 1 ## m (given) ?

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I was so confused in using many r's, so I use different symbols, and tried to solve it again. Here's my attempt with my explanation:
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And regarding the following formula:
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This is given in the textbook.
 
If the flux it is the total inside charge you have to calculate D at r=2.5 [or r=0.5] and not at r=1.5
 

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