Calculating the length of a tangent curve

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The discussion centers around calculating the length of the curve defined by the function f(x) = tan(x) * 5 / 8, specifically between the points (0, 0) and (1, 1). The conversation includes attempts to clarify the function's behavior and the appropriate method for determining the curve's length.

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Main Points Raised

  • Keeaga asks how to find the length of the curve between (0, 0) and (1, 1) for the function f(x) = tan(x) * 5 / 8.
  • DonAntonio asserts that the point (1, 1) is not on the function's graph, suggesting that the function does not reach that point.
  • Keeaga responds by stating that the vertical scaling factor of 5/8 allows the curve to cross the points (-1, -1), (1, 1), and (0, 0), though they remain uncertain about calculating the length.
  • DonAntonio counters Keeaga's claim by providing a calculation that shows (1, 1) is not on the graph, as \(\frac{5}{8}\tan(1) \neq 1\).
  • KTM acknowledges the error regarding the point (1, 1) and seeks general guidance on how to find the length of a tangent curve.
  • A later reply suggests consulting resources like Wikipedia or calculus texts for formulas related to arc length, emphasizing the use of the Pythagorean theorem in the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the presence of the point (1, 1) on the function's graph, with some asserting it is included while others maintain it is not. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct method to find the length of the curve.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty about the function's behavior at specific points and the implications of the vertical scaling factor. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity on the mathematical steps involved in calculating arc length.

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Considering f(x) = tan(x) * 5 / 8 ...

how can I find the length of the curve, specifically, between (0, 0) and (1, 1) ?

if anyone can help I would be happy.

Thanks
Keeaga
 
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keeaga said:
Considering f(x) = tan(x) * 5 / 8 ...

how can I find the length of the curve, specifically, between (0, 0) and (1, 1) ?

if anyone can help I would be happy.

Thanks
Keeaga



You can't: the point (1,1) is not on the function's graph.

DonAntonio
 
Actually, it is... that's what the 5/8 is for. It shrinks the tangent vertically just enough for the curve to cross (-1,-1), (1,1), and (0,0).

I still don't know how to go about finding the length of the curve though.

Keeaga
 
keeaga said:
Actually, it is... that's what the 5/8 is for. It shrinks the tangent vertically just enough for the curve to cross (-1,-1), (1,1), and (0,0).

I still don't know how to go about finding the length of the curve though.

Keeaga

Are you implying tan(1)*5/8= 1?
 
keeaga said:
Actually, it is... that's what the 5/8 is for. It shrinks the tangent vertically just enough for the curve to cross (-1,-1), (1,1), and (0,0).

I still don't know how to go about finding the length of the curve though.

Keeaga


No, it really doesn't: [itex]\,\tan 1=1.55741\Longrightarrow \frac{5}{8}\tan 1 = 0.97338\neq 1\Longrightarrow (1,1)\,[/itex] is not on the graph of the function, and neither

is the point [itex]\,(-1,-1)\,[/itex]

DonAntonio
 
Ok, sorry, you're right... Thought it crossed 1,1 but that was based on a graph of it only.

Still, anyone know how generally to find the length of a tangent curve?

KTM
 
Check out the wikipedia entry on arclength where there are many formulas. Also, any calculus text will have arclength formulas. The key to them all is the Pythagorean theorem

ds = sqrt(dx^2+dy^2). Divide out dx and you get sqrt(1+(dy/dx)^2) dx
 

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