Calculating the speed taking into account the weight of a person

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the speed of an electric skateboard when a person is riding on it, specifically considering the weight of the person and its effects on speed and acceleration. Participants explore the relevant formulas and factors that influence performance, including friction and incline effects.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks a formula to calculate the speed of a skateboard with a 120kg person, questioning how weight affects speed and asking for known formulas.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for sufficient power and torque to overcome friction, suggesting that testing may be necessary to determine the force from friction.
  • A participant reiterates the importance of power and torque, asking for formulas to calculate torque specifically.
  • One response outlines a step-by-step approach to determine motor characteristics, including establishing requirements, calculating force using F=MA, and deriving torque from force and wheel size.
  • Another participant states that a person's weight does not affect the speed on a frictionless skateboard on a flat surface but does affect acceleration and introduces factors like friction and wind resistance that influence top speed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of a person's weight on speed and acceleration, with some suggesting it does not affect speed on a frictionless surface while others highlight the role of friction and resistance. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact effects of weight on speed calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various factors such as friction, acceleration, and incline effects, but do not fully resolve the implications of these factors on speed calculations. There are also references to specific calculations and assumptions that may not be explicitly stated.

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I need to buy a DC motor for an electric skateboard project. I need to calculate the speed at which it can travel with a person on top. I can calculate the speed at which the skateboard can go but is does not account for the weight of a person as that will surely decrease the speed. What formula can be used to calculate the speed with for say a 120kg person standing on the skateboard. The skateboard can go at a speed of 21mph how much will it decrease due to a person's weight? Any known formulas?

Also, what formula can I use to calculate the speed on an incline?

Please help me out.
 
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You need enough power and torque to overcome friction. The force from friction is something you probably have to test.
On an incline, you get an additional force component from gravity. Inclined plane problems can be found in literally every textbook on introductory mechanics.
 
mfb said:
You need enough power and torque to overcome friction. The force from friction is something you probably have to test.
On an incline, you get an additional force component from gravity. Inclined plane problems can be found in literally every textbook on introductory mechanics.
Thanks for your reply. Can you provide some formulas to calculate torque?
 
Rafn97 said:
Thanks for your reply. Can you provide some formulas to calculate torque?
I think torque will be a measured quantity (unless you are building your own motor). Read it from the data sheet.
 
You are skipping several steps that need to be worked out to determine the motor characteristics.
First: establish the requirements - accelerate a mass of 120 kg from 0 to 36 km/hr in 30 seconds
Second: determine the force needed - F=MA. M is 120 kg. A is 36 km/hr divided by 30 seconds (convert units)
Third: from force F determine torque based on wheel size. T=Fr where r is wheel radius.
Fourth: change requirements if needed to match motor specifications.

I've left out some calculations - please review basic physics design requirements and there are some stiction (static friction) considerations for where the wheels touch the ground not covered. Also not covered are motor speed vs torque needed.
 
The weight of a person on a frictionless skateboad on a flat surface will not affect the speed. It will affect the rate of acceleration. As described above, F=ma.

The weight of a person will affect the friction (bearings and wheels-to-pavement). The size of a person will affect the wind resistance. Those will affect the top speed that can be maintained with a given motor/power system. I think there are plenty of web pages that will have calculators for those effects.

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/rolling-friction-resistance-d_1303.html is a good place to start.

So, a skateboard that can go 21mph with a person of weight X will go slower with an identically sized person of weight Y only because of increased wheel and bearing friction. It will also take a bit longer to get to that top speed.
 

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