Calculating Thrust of a Rocket

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The discussion revolves around calculating the thrust of a rocket-like system involving pressurized gas exiting a tube. Participants explore various aspects of thrust calculation, including the speed of gas exiting, reaction forces, and the behavior of gas entering the tube when external pressure is lower.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks help with calculations related to thrust, gas speed, and reaction forces in a pressurized tube scenario.
  • Another participant suggests approximating thrust using the pressure force formula, indicating that the gage pressure difference affects the force calculation.
  • A different participant proposes using Bernoulli's equation, assuming static pressure converts entirely to velocity pressure.
  • Concerns are raised about the pressure at the open end of the tube not being ambient due to the momentum of surrounding air, noting that rockets perform differently in space compared to the atmosphere.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present various methods and considerations for calculating thrust, but no consensus is reached on a single approach or the implications of pressure differences.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about pressure dynamics, the impact of external air momentum, and the applicability of equations under different conditions.

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I am usually bad with calculations, so please help me out.
It's not a homework, merely my interest...

So, let's say I have a tube with some air pressure in it and I open up one end of the tube so the pressurised gas exits it in one direction... (basically a rocket)
Pretty simple, huh? :D

But what I want to know is how to calculate the speed of the gas exiting, the thrust, the reaction force etc.
And while we are at it, what if the pressure in the tube is lower than outside, what speed will the outside gas enter the tube, how fast it will fill depending on the size, etc?

Please forgive me asking for such relatively simple calculations. ;)
 
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The force can roughly be approximated to just be the pressure force which is simply

[tex]\frac{P_{gage}}{Area} = Force[/tex] where the gage pressure is the difference of the pressures in the tube and of the atmosphere.

Once you know that F = [tex]\beta \rho A V_{avg}^2[/tex]

Where rho is the density, a is area, v is velocity and beta is some correction factor (probably fairly small to the point where it could be negligible)

Same equations apply regardless of if the pressure difference is negative or positive.
 
You can use bernoulli's equation for this: assume all of your static pressure is converted to velocity pressure.
 
One issue is that the pressure at the open end of the tube would not be ambient due to momentum of the affected air, both inside and outside the tube. Note that rockets generrate more thrust in space than they do in the atmosphere because the momentum of the air reduces the effective exhaust velocity component of thrust.
 

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