Calculating total derivative of multivariable function

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The discussion focuses on deriving the total derivative of a multivariable function, specifically involving the variables I_0, V_0, i, and v as functions of q_1. The user attempts to calculate the derivative di/dv using the chain rule, leading to expressions for di_1/dq_1 and dv_1/dq_1. They derive a formula for di/dv, resulting in q_1/U_T, but express uncertainty about incorporating q_2 into their answer. The user seeks clarification on how to align their result with a textbook expression involving both q_1 and q_2. The conversation highlights the complexities of multivariable calculus and the need for further exploration of relationships between the variables.
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Homework Statement
Here is the full problem statement (with equations): https://i.imgur.com/z2SWodC.png The answer that I'm trying to derive is at the bottom.
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All equations are also included in the above image (https://i.imgur.com/z2SWodC.png).
This isn't a homework problem exactly but my attempt to derive a result given in a textbook for myself. Below is my attempt at a solution, typed up elsewhere with nice formatting so didn't want to redo it all. Direct image link here. Would greatly appreciate if anyone has any pointers.

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By ##I_0## and ##V_0## sum conditons, we know
i=2i_1-I_0=i(q_1)
v=2v_1-V_0=v(q_1)
They both are functions of variable ##q_1## only.
\frac{di}{dv}=\frac{\frac{di}{dq_1}} {\frac{dv}{dq_1}}=\frac{\frac{di_1}{dq_1}} {\frac{dv_1}{dq_1}}
we can calculate it.
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
By ##I_0## and ##V_0## sum conditons, we know
i=2i_1-I_0=i(q_1)
v=2v_1-V_0=v(q_1)
They both are functions of variable ##q_1## only.
\frac{di}{dv}=\frac{\frac{di}{dq_1}} {\frac{dv}{dq_1}}=\frac{\frac{di_1}{dq_1}} {\frac{dv_1}{dq_1}}
we can calculate it.

Thanks very much for the reply; with that info:

\frac{di_1}{dq_1} = 2q_1+1
\frac{dv_1}{dq_1} = U_T(\frac{2q_1+1}{q_1})

And from this I get

\frac{di}{dv}=\frac{ \frac{di_1}{dq_1} }{ \frac{dv_1}{dq_1} }= \frac{q_1}{U_T}

I'm not sure if this is correct. For one thing, I'm not sure how I could incorporate ##q_2## into the answer like the given one (which is ##\frac{2}{U_T}\frac{q_1 q_2}{q_1+q_2}##), although it does seem to make sense that it should be expressible through just one of the ##q##'s. Is there a way to show this to be equal to the given answer? (Assuming I haven't made an error here)
 

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