Calculating Total Energy of an Electron Orbiting a Hydrogen Nucleus

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The discussion centers on deriving the total energy of an electron orbiting a hydrogen nucleus, with the equation Etotal = -e^2/8ε0πr. Participants analyze the kinetic energy (KE) and potential energy (PE) contributions, noting that the KE is derived from centripetal force and the PE from electrostatic interactions. Confusion arises regarding the signs in the equations, particularly whether the left-hand side (LHS) and right-hand side (RHS) should both be positive or negative. Clarification is sought on the role of the negative sign in potential energy, with some participants emphasizing that it is a force expression rather than an energy expression. The conversation highlights the importance of correctly interpreting signs in physics equations.
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Homework Statement


Prove that the total energy of an electron orbiting a hydrogen nucleus is Etotal = -e^2/ 8ε0 π r where e is the magnitude of charge of an electron and r is the orbital radius.

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Here is my attempt:
For KE,
mv^2/r = -ke^2/r^2
mv^2/2 = -ke^2/2r

For PE,
PE= k(-e)e/r - k(-e)e/∞
=-ke^2/r
KE+PE =-3e^2/ 8ε0 π r ,why am I wrong? please help
 
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Clara Chung said:
mv^2/r = -ke^2/r^2
Is the left hand side there positive or negative? What about the right hand side?
 
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haruspex said:
Is the left hand side there positive or negative? What about the right hand side?
LHS is positive and RHS is negative? They should both be positive as the negative sign represents the direction?I don't get it
 
Clara Chung said:
LHS is positive and RHS is negative? I don't get it
So the right hand side must be wrong. Try explaining in detail how you arrive at the minus sign there.
 
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haruspex said:
So the right hand side must be wrong. Try explaining in detail how you arrive at the minus sign there.
Thanks for helping me. But why the minus sign in potential energy need not to consider?
 
Clara Chung said:
Thanks for helping me. But why the minus sign in potential energy need not to consider?
That is not an energy expression, it's a force expression.
 
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