Calculating voltage and current of RC Circuit

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on calculating voltage and current in an RC circuit, specifically addressing the behavior of capacitors at different time intervals (t<0 and t=0+). Participants explore the application of nodal analysis and the implications of capacitor behavior in circuit analysis.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about applying nodal analysis with a capacitor in the circuit and questions whether capacitors follow Ohm's law.
  • Another participant states that at t=0+, a capacitor behaves like an ideal voltage source with the voltage it had just before that instant.
  • A participant realizes the question pertains to t≥0 and seeks clarification on how to determine the capacitor's voltage when it is not explicitly shown in the circuit diagram.
  • One participant explains that if the capacitor's voltage at t=0+ is zero, it can be replaced with a short circuit, but if it has an initial charge, it should be treated as a voltage source for that instant.
  • There is a question about whether the voltage on the capacitor is zero at t=0+ due to the absence of a source before that time, which another participant confirms.
  • Participants discuss how to calculate the voltage at infinity (v(∞)) and note that capacitors act as open circuits to DC, leading to questions about the implications of this behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the behavior of capacitors at t=0+ and the implications of initial conditions, but there is some uncertainty regarding the initial voltage on the capacitor and how to approach the analysis for v(∞).

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding the initial charge on the capacitor and its implications for circuit analysis. The discussion includes varying interpretations of how to model the capacitor based on its initial conditions.

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I am looking at the circuit at t<0. I need to calculate v(0) but I'm not sure how to apply nodal analysis when you have a capacitor in the circuit. Do capacitors follow ohm's law?
 

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For the instant t = 0+, a capacitor "looks like" an ideal voltage source with the value of the then current voltage on the capacitor.
 
gneill said:
For the instant t = 0+, a capacitor "looks like" an ideal voltage source with the value of the then current voltage on the capacitor.

Oh, I just realized the question is asking for t≥0. Opps.

I've redrew the circuit for t≥0 but I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean. How does the capacitor look like a voltage source if it's not in the circuit diagram? How do I get the voltage of the capacitor if it's not in the circuit diagram?

I've attached my new attempt. Disregard the t<0 part.
 

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If the voltage on the capacitor at time t=0+ happens to be zero then it's okay to replace the capacitor with a wire (short circuit) as you've done. After all, an ideal voltage source of 0 V is identical to a wire (short circuit). But if you run across a case where the capacitor happens to have some initial charge on it, then replace it with a voltage source for that initial instant. If you need to find the capacitor voltage for more more than that instant, it's okay to model the capacitor as an ideal voltage source in series with an uncharged capacitor (initial voltage = 0).

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gneill said:
If the voltage on the capacitor at time t=0+ happens to be zero then it's okay to replace the capacitor with a wire (short circuit) as you've done. After all, an ideal voltage source of 0 V is identical to a wire (short circuit). But if you run across a case where the capacitor happens to have some initial charge on it, then replace it with a voltage source for that initial instant. If you need to find the capacitor voltage for more more than that instant, it's okay to model the capacitor as an ideal voltage source in series with an uncharged capacitor (initial voltage = 0).

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So in this case, is the voltage on the capacitor zero at t=0+ or is there some initial charge? It is zero because there is no source when t<0, right?

From your diagram, how would I be able to calculate v(∞)? Capacitors act as open circuits to DC, right? So isn't that an open circuit?
 
Turion said:
So in this case, is the voltage on the capacitor zero at t=0+ or is there some initial charge? It is zero because there is no source when t<0, right?
Right.

From your diagram, how would I be able to calculate v(∞)? Capacitors act as open circuits to DC, right? So isn't that an open circuit?

Yup. The capacitor will charge until the voltage across it exactly balances the driving voltage (no potential difference means no more current flowing into the capacitor). So the thing to do there is to remove the capacitor and find out what the voltage is at the open terminals where it was removed.
 

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