Calculating Volume of Overlapping Regions using Integration

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The problem involves calculating the volume of regions bounded by the curves y = -x + 3 and y = x^2 - 3x, specifically when these regions are revolved around the x-axis and the y-axis. Participants are exploring the complexities introduced by overlapping areas in the volume calculation.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to determine the limits of overlap to calculate the correct area for volume. There are attempts to separate overlapping and non-overlapping regions in the integration process. Some participants question how to handle the overlapping region and whether to treat it differently in the calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being suggested. Some participants have offered guidance on separating the regions and reconsidering the integration steps. There is recognition that the original problem statement may have been incomplete, leading to confusion about the volume versus area.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem may have been misinterpreted initially, and there is a focus on ensuring that all relevant details, such as the axis of rotation, are included in the calculations. There is also mention of using graphs to aid in understanding the regions involved.

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Homework Statement


THe region bounded by y = -x + 3 and y = x^2 - 3x
the region revolve about a, x-axis, and b, y=axis

Homework Equations


V = π∫r^2 dx

The Attempt at a Solution


I have no clue to solve it since the volume overlap. I try to ignore the overlapped region but didn't get the right answer.
 
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Your problem statement as worded will not result in a volume, but an area.

Have you left something out, like the region is to be rotated about a certain axis?

In any event, you must determine the limits where the overlap takes place, in order to calculate the proper area.
 
SteamKing said:
Your problem statement as worded will not result in a volume, but an area.

Have you left something out, like the region is to be rotated about a certain axis?

In any event, you must determine the limits where the overlap takes place, in order to calculate the proper area.

oh yes...I actually left something out...the region revolve about a, x-axis, and b, y=axis..
 
Treat the overlapping and non-overlapping regions separately.
 
what do you do with the overlapping region?
 
daivinhtran said:
what do you do with the overlapping region?
The following is a graph by WolframAlpha which may help for the rotation about the x axis.

attachment.php?attachmentid=55357&stc=1&d=1359950154.gif


It's a graph of 4 curves:

y = -x + 3

y = -(-x + 3)

y = x^2 - 3x

y = -(x^2 - 3x)
 

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SammyS said:
The following is a graph by WolframAlpha which may help for the rotation about the x axis.

attachment.php?attachmentid=55357&stc=1&d=1359950154.gif


It's a graph of 4 curves:

y = -x + 3

y = -(-x + 3)

y = x^2 - 3x

y = -(x^2 - 3x)

I did try this way...I find the region at the interval [-1, 0] by take the integrate of pi ∫(-x+3)^2 - (x^2 - 3x)^2 dx...
Then, pi x ∫ (-x+3)^2 - (-x^2 + 3x)^2 dx for interval [0,1]
Then, pi x ∫ (3x-x^2)^2 for the interval [1,3]
and take the sum of all...and get 56pi/3

but the answer is not that
 
daivinhtran said:
...

Then, pi x ∫ (-x+3)^2 - (-x^2 + 3x)^2 dx for interval [0,1]
...

This one is incorrect.

Added in Edit:

For x > 0, the inner radius is zero. -- This becomes the disc method rather than the washer method for x > 0.
 
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I'll modify my previous suggestion. If you treat overlapping and non-overlapping entirely separately you'll have five separate integrals (2 for overlap, 3 for non).
It's a bit easier to process the whole shape without worrying about the overlap, then subtract the overlap parts on the basis that they have been counted twice. That should reduce it to the three integration steps.
 

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