Calculating Wave Amplitude & Wavelength in Water Pools

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The discussion focuses on modeling and calculating the characteristics of circular waves generated in a pool of water by different stimuli, such as a mass falling from a height and a continuous fountain of water. Participants explore the relationship between the properties of the impacting object and the resultant wave parameters, including amplitude and wavelength.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about modeling the resultant wave characteristics based on the mass, velocity, and area of impact of different objects, suggesting that wave properties depend on the energy of the impacting object and characteristics of the water.
  • Another participant draws an analogy between the energy transfer in a capacitor discharging into a transmission line and the energy transfer from a mass impacting water, proposing that the energy spreads out over a 2D surface, affecting wave amplitude and energy density.
  • A third participant identifies the ripples as gravity waves and mentions the role of viscosity in the interaction between a continuous stream of water and the water surface, noting that gravity waves cease once the system stabilizes.
  • A later reply suggests involving an expert in gravity waves to provide further insights into the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the modeling of wave characteristics, with no consensus reached on the specific relationships or parameters involved. Multiple competing views remain regarding the influence of different factors on wave generation.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention several factors that may influence wave characteristics, such as the shape, viscosity, surface tension of the water, and the energy of the impacting object. However, these factors are not fully resolved or quantified in the discussion.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying fluid dynamics, wave mechanics, and related fields in physics and engineering, particularly in understanding wave generation and propagation in fluids.

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How would we model/calculate the circular waves in a pool of water (wavelength and amplitude) from a mass falling into it from a given height, and from a fountain of water falling into it continuously?
How would we model/calculate the circular waves in a pool of water (wavelength and amplitude) from a mass falling into it from a given height, and from a fountain of water falling into it continuously?

Is there is a way to describe the initial configuration of the wave based on the stimulus. For example, what is the resultant wave amplitude and wavelength from a X kilogram solid sphere at a velocity of Y meters persecond hitting a Z square centimeter area of water, versus the stimulus being a single sphere of water contacting the same area of surface at a similar speed, versus a continuous stream of water as in a fountain hitting the water.

I'm guessing that the resultant wave is dependent on the energy of the object that hits the water surface, modified by some characteristic of the incident object and also of the ppol of liquid(water) that it falls into, such as its shape, viscosity, surface tension, perhaps even refractive index.
 
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Maybe we can find a part analogy with the case of discharging a capacitor into a transmission line. Here the energy of the capacitor is transferred into a wave which travels away from it. I think that the capacitor discharges into the characteristic resistance (impedance) of the line, and the product CR will determine the time for the discharge to happen and the duration of the first half wave. So for a mass falling into water, maybe the energy is converted into a wave, and travels away from the centre. The energy is now spreading out over a plane 2D surface, so the energy density will decrease in proportion to distance, and the amplitude will decrease with the square root of distance.
As Lord Kelvin mentioned, water waves are not straightforward things to study.
 
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The ripples that spread out across the surface are gravity waves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_wave

Where a continuous stream of water penetrates a water surface, the surface is dragged down by the viscosity shear in the boundary layer of the water. Once the system is stable, no more gravity waves will be radiated.
 
His areas of research are perhaps a little different, but I'll page @Dr. Courtney to see if he has worked with gravity waves in his impulse research...
 

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